From dpb@cs.brown.edu Mon Sep 30 14:59:28 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:59:28 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: Online dip game Message-ID: <20020930185928.GH17703@cs.brown.edu> References: <20020930184216.GG17703@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 638 Lines: 24 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > The game just filled -- you're the seventh. Funny. I sent that before finishing reading jarf, then I got further along to the part where you posted that the game was full, and was just about to mail you a "nevermind then" when I got this message. Ha, I love how fast life in =jarf. Are you going to be posting maps online, by the way? > Do you have a list of country preferences? Turkey Russia Austria Italy England France Germany -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "If you do not possess superior genes worthy of my ovaries then FUCK OFF." --Yong-Mi Kim From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 14:53:35 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UIrYWd018789 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB2C69128 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UIrYe14597 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:53:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:53:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Online dip game In-Reply-To: <20020930184216.GG17703@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 514 Lines: 20 The game just filled -- you're the seventh. Do you have a list of country preferences? On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > /* Written 10:01 am Sep 30, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ > I'm thinking about starting up another online game... > /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ > > I'd be interested, as long as Don Ford isn't permitted to play. :P I > slightly prefer a blind game, but non-blind is ok too. > > By the way, did you have any idea who the other players were in that > last game? > > From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:27:24 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:27:24 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: From Turkey to Russia Message-ID: <20020930202724.GI17703@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 12 Greetings to the Czar of the great Russian Empire! The Ottoman Empire wishes to discuss some imminent actions along our shared border. In particular, we would like to propose military exercises in the Black Sea: a joint training mission for our navies, yours in Sevastopol and ours in Ankara, to hone their skills. This will, of course, render them unusable for other pursuits during that time, but this is not in itself a problem, we feel. There is also the matter of the disposition of the Balkan territories. It is certainly our right--our manifest destiny, as the Americans would say--to expand into Bulgaria. We assume that you agree? From dpb Mon Sep 30 16:33:54 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:54 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: From Turkey to Austria Message-ID: <20020930203354.GJ17703@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 10 Greetings to the Dual Monarch of the Austro-Hungarian Empire! The Ottoman Empire wishes to discuss some matters relating to our shared border. Namely, the Balkan States. Obviously, we will wish to lay claim to the puppet kingdom of Bulgaria, much as you will presumably feel the right to take Serbia. But what of Greece? The Turkish people could at least make it difficult for you to take and keep Greece, but no, our desire is not to be antagonistic with the friendly peoples of central Europe. Rather, we hope to come up with a plan that will be to our mutual benefit. Are you interested? From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:43:49 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:43:49 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: From Italy to Turkey Message-ID: <20020930204349.GK17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 21 > Please let me know which you are planning on going after: Austria or > Russia. Naturally, I can be helpful. We have a country between us, so > there is no reason for us to quarrel at this early date. Of course there is no reason to quarrel! There is traditionally not a great deal of contact between our peoples, but this distance makes it easy to remain at peace, of course. In response to your query, I will say only that I do not at this time bear any ill will towards these countries. I am currently in negotiations with the Dual Monarch on the disposition of the Balkan States, as you might expect, which I have every expectation of having a happy outcome for all. As for yourself, I advise you to keep a careful eye on your western front: France will unstoppably take at least the two Iberian industrial centers, and if he is diplomatically successful he might negotiate for Belgium as well. As such, it behooves you to be very cautious about believing anything he says. I suggest you discuss this with either Germany or England, both of which are likely to be able to lend you some support. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 15:13:41 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UJDfWd019385 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A94D6914D for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:13:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UJDfW20266 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:13:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:13:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Online dip game In-Reply-To: <20020930185928.GH17703@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1030 Lines: 38 Yeah, I'm going to be following most of Dave's example for setting things up. I might not do the colored map like he did, but I might...that was pretty cool. As for the last game (you asked about that in your last email) -- I was trying to keep myself from guessing anyone's id. I kept thinking you were France, though, 'cause you're always France. Heh. At the end I was convinced Joe was Russia. Odd. I don't know who you'll be yet, but I don't think it's France... On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > > The game just filled -- you're the seventh. > > Funny. I sent that before finishing reading jarf, then I got further > along to the part where you posted that the game was full, and was just > about to mail you a "nevermind then" when I got this message. Ha, I > love how fast life in =jarf. > > Are you going to be posting maps online, by the way? > > > Do you have a list of country preferences? > > Turkey > Russia > Austria > Italy > England > France > Germany > > From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 15:40:24 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UJeMWd020292 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A13369105 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UJeM629482 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Online dip game In-Reply-To: <20020930185928.GH17703@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1391 Lines: 34 Hello! I got your email concerning Diplomacy, and you're in the game! If you're not familiar with the process of online Diplomacy, here's a rough idea of how it works: email me with your country orders, and I will process them. I will also forward Diplomacy from you to other players. One of my jobs is to watch your email for any accidental slips that may reveal your true identity. Please, when emailing Diplomacy, include your country and the destination country, ie. "From to ." This will make it easier on me. Moves are going to be due at 9pm Central on Tuesdays and Fridays. The first set of moves, for Spring 1901, are due on Friday, October 4th, at 9:00 Central. Please make every effort to get moves in on time. In the past, the laziness of other players has degraded the game. If you will not be able to meet this schedule, please tell me now and I will find someone else to play your country. I'm going to be posting some updates to Jarf, but the main web page for the game will be at: http://alumni.imsa.edu/~neilk/dip Currently the only thing on that page is the starting board positions. Let me know if you have any questions. Don! You don't get France! You got your first choice, TURKEY. I would say that you should put in a better showing than the other Don, but I know you'll do better than he did. Good luck Neil From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 15:57:50 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UJvoWd021147 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id DA2D269123; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEDF69105 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UJvnF02017 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: diplomacy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 155 Lines: 6 To eliminate any confusion, the game is now open for pre-Spring 1901 diplomacy. This diplomacy session will last until moves are due at 9pm on Friday. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:05:52 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UK5qWd021403 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 209C169117; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BA269106 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UK5pc05452 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:05:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:05:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: From Italy to Turkey Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 200 Lines: 6 Please let me know which you are planning on going after: Austria or Russia. Naturally, I can be helpful. We have a country between us, so there is no reason for us to quarrel at this early date. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:11:23 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UKBMWd021586 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 07FFE69109; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:11:22 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F009769105 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKBLB08283 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:11:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:11:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 13 Regarding my previous missive: I do not mean to suggest that those are your only options. However, the more information you give me, the more helpful I can be. The more specific your instructions, the more effective I will be in helping you. Thanking you in advance. From dpb Mon Sep 30 14:42:16 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:17 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Online dip game Message-ID: <20020930184216.GG17703@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 14 /* Written 10:01 am Sep 30, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ I'm thinking about starting up another online game... /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ I'd be interested, as long as Don Ford isn't permitted to play. :P I slightly prefer a blind game, but non-blind is ok too. By the way, did you have any idea who the other players were in that last game? -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- VISA LA FRANCE Don't leave your chateau without it From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 17:30:08 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:30:08 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Austria Message-ID: <20020930213008.GL17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1299 Lines: 23 > To me it is clear that the Ottoman Empire is entitled to the state of > Bulgaria, as we feel entitled to rule our brethren in Serbia. The > question of Greece is one that is, perhaps, better addressed once we > have a more mutual understanding of each other's expansion plans. For > example, there is also the Balkan state of Rumania just sitting there. > I am curious as to what your plans are regarding the Black Sea, and > what discussions you have had with the Russian about it. Ah, these matters are always so... delicate. Rumania is such a delectable little country, and as you said, "just sitting there." I have sent a letter to Russia opening a diplomatic channel, but I have not yet received any further response. I intend to make him think we are friends, of course; and have recommended naval exercises this Spring in the Black Sea--to do otherwise would be to invite his fleet to menace my northern shore. But his very presence in Sevastopol threatens me. Ultimately, I will need to project a presence into Sevastopol myself, though sadly the Russian will probably dispute this need. For now, though, I am mostly interested in support into Rumania. If you would be interested in further discussion on the fate of our neighbor to the northeast, our ears are open and attentive. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:58:54 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UKwsWd022864 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id DE08F69156; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3BC690F8 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKwsb03618 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:58:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:58:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 964 Lines: 21 Greetings, Grand Sultan! > Obviously, we will wish to lay claim to the puppet kingdom of Bulgaria, > much as you will presumably feel the right to take Serbia. But what of > Greece? The Turkish people could at least make it difficult for you to > take and keep Greece, but no, our desire is not to be antagonistic with > the friendly peoples of central Europe. Rather, we hope to come up with > a plan that will be to our mutual benefit. Are you interested? To me it is clear that the Ottoman Empire is entitled to the state of Bulgaria, as we feel entitled to rule our brethren in Serbia. The question of Greece is one that is, perhaps, better addressed once we have a more mutual understanding of each other's expansion plans. For example, there is also the Balkan state of Rumania just sitting there. I am curious as to what your plans are regarding the Black Sea, and what discussions you have had with the Russian about it. The Dual Monarch From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 17:37:56 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:37:56 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to France Message-ID: <20020930213756.GM17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1086 Lines: 22 > The people of France send their greetings to Turkey! > > Although we are separated by long stretches of water and two nations > between us, it is prudent to maintain communications on the chance that we > both survive the impending conflicts. There is little to discuss at this > time, but please do not hesitate to contact us should you desire anything. Agreed. The Sultan sends his greetings; and also a word of caution: the Italian has already been corresponding with us. He indicated that he would maintain cordial relations, but would clearly be of no threat to us. His insinuation seemed to be that his navies would not be moving eastward--it is possible that he meant his attention would be on Austria, but it strikes us as more likely that he has planned to direct his military forces westward, toward the Iberian industrial centers... and against yourself. It is, of course, quite possible that we have misread his intentions. But it would indubitably be to your advantage to keep a cautious eye at your southeastern border. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 17:20:38 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8ULKcWd023430 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 487BB69168; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:20:38 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF6469169 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:20:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8ULKca12532 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:20:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 364 Lines: 11 The people of France send their greetings to Turkey! Tsar, although we are separated by long stretches of water and two nations between us, it is prudent to maintain communications on the chance that we both survive the impending conflicts. There is little to discuss at this time, but please do not hesitate to contact us should you desire anything. France From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:45:07 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UKj6Wd022585 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7F15569116; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7266D69105 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKj6I26869 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 199 Lines: 9 I haven't heard from you yet. That worries me. If our letters have gotten crossed in the mail, my worries will be allayed presently. If you are simply too busy to reply, please let me know. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Sep 30 16:51:36 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g8UKpXWd022736 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 57F1669162; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:33 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C06769156 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKpXe31329 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 170 Lines: 6 So you think France is going to invade me? Do you think Austria is going to invade me? Are you going to invade Russia? It sounds like you are friends with Austria. From dpb Mon Sep 30 18:59:19 2002 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:59:19 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Italy Message-ID: <20020930225919.GN17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 21 > So you think France is going to invade me? Do you think Austria is going > to invade me? Are you going to invade Russia? It sounds like you are > friends with Austria. I am exchanging correspondence with Austria, and I am exchanging correspondence with Russia. It would be premature to call me "friends" with anyone. Regarding France, I merely meant to give a bit of friendly advice--that western power is ever strong, and naturally poses a threat to its neighbors. Of course, I cannot say for sure if he plans to attack you or not, but... let us say that it always pays to be prepared. > I haven't heard from you yet. That worries me. If our letters have > gotten crossed in the mail, my worries will be allayed presently. If you > are simply too busy to reply, please let me know. If you expect communication from me every hour or so, I fear you are going to be disappointed. Leading and administering the Ottoman Empire is a busy job, and you should not necessarily find anything amiss in a wait of an hour or even a day for a response to your letters. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 10:10:30 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91EATWd013210 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id CD82669179; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6DE69122 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91EATi05538 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 987 Lines: 22 > Agreed. The Sultan sends his greetings; and also a word of caution: the > Italian has already been corresponding with us. He indicated that he > would maintain cordial relations, but would clearly be of no threat to > us. His insinuation seemed to be that his navies would not be moving > eastward--it is possible that he meant his attention would be on > Austria, but it strikes us as more likely that he has planned to direct > his military forces westward, toward the Iberian industrial centers... > and against yourself. The people of France thank the Sultan for his information and warning. Italy has also communicated to our representatives his desire for the supply center of Tunis. Of course, France is not prepared, or willing, to contest this claim. Perhaps this is all that Italy meant concerning a naval movement eastward. If it is not too personal, may I inquire as to your impressions of the Italian, and whether you have had contact with the Austrian? France From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 10:12:02 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91EC1Wd013231 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7BD7E6917D; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:12:01 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7003569179 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:12:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91EC1005820 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:12:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:12:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 Ok I understand now. I don't think France wants to invade me. He just wants me not to go into the Fulg of Lyon or Piedmont or North Africa or Med. And he promises not to go into any of those territories either. Please let me know who you plan to invade so I can help you. From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 10:30:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91EUbWd013746 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 239BC6917E; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178646918F for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91EUbN11623 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:30:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:30:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 13 I would like to make a solid alliance with you for the entire game. I would like to know what you think about this. I read your emails and I read the other emails from the other players and I think you are very good at DIPLOMACY and would make a very good ally. I will never attack you and will share information with you if you will do the same thing for me. I think this will help you win the game because you will not have to worry about Italy. From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 11:21:38 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91FLcWd015082 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D551869193; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA34869188 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91FLb529744 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 16 Great Sultan, Yes, the Russian presence in the Black Sea certainly threatens you. I, too, have no love for the Russian. As a gesture of good will, I would be willing to support you into Rumania when the time is right, allowing you to solidify your northern borders. In exchange, I would of course, expect no resistance to my moving into Greece to help increase my production capacity. Please let me know how this proposal impresses you. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 12:06:50 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91G6mWd016604 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 844806919B; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787946918D for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91G6mO16714 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 20 To the esteemed Sultan of Turkey and his Court The Queen of England and her son Edward would like to send their formal greetings.  We are honored to count you among the powers of Europe in a time of what appears to be brewing crisis.  While our territories are separated by a great distance, we have much in common with one another.  I hope that should fortune favor us both we may have common interests in the future.  For now, our friendship is offered, though the distance between us is great.   P.M. Gascoyne-Cecil 3rd Marquess of Salisbury England From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 12:32:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91GWaWd017378 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 2C3B8691A6; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215CB691A1 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91GWaq25288 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:32:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:32:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 130 Lines: 8 England sent me this WWW site. Maybe you can find it helpful too! http://devel.diplom.org/Online/Openings/interactive.html From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 14:40:09 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91Ie8Wd021115 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 6B09C69122; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F237690F9 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91Ie8Q07676 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:40:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:40:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 286 Lines: 14 Greetings Exalted Emperor! I fear that I cannot agree to your joint military exercises. The Black Sea is crucial to the defense of Mother Russia and there will be a Russian fleet occupying it or none. However, we will no protest a move of yours into Bulgaria. The Russian Bear From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 15:03:45 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:03:45 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Russia Message-ID: <20021001190345.GP17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 16 > I fear that I cannot agree to your joint military exercises. The Black > Sea is crucial to the defense of Mother Russia and there will be a Russian > fleet occupying it or none. Obviously, once the joint naval exercises were completed, our respective forces would return home. As you might imagine, we would prefer having no fleet in the Sea at the end of the season to having a foreign fleet there. Nothing personal, of course. By committing to these exercises, we can each guarantee that the other will not gain posession of these waters. Later, once we've gotten to know each other better, we can discuss the possibility of trusting each other to stay out of the Black Sea completely. I eagerly await your reply. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 15:45:20 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:45:20 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to France Message-ID: <20021001194520.GQ17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 7 > If it is not too personal, may I inquire as to your impressions of the > Italian, and whether you have had contact with the Austrian? Truth be told, I'm a little worried about the Italian. He seems a little too credulous and eager--so much so that I fear he is merely trying to feign inexperience and/or incompetence and will turn out to be a surprisingly capable foe. Keep an eye on that one. From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 15:46:50 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:46:50 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to england Message-ID: <20021001194650.GR17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 562 Lines: 11 > The Queen of England and her son Edward would like to send their formal > greetings.=A0 We are honored to count you among the powers of Europe in a > time of what appears to be brewing crisis.=A0 While our territories are > separated by a great distance, we have much in common with one another.=A0 > I hope that should fortune favor us both we may have common interests in > the future.=A0 For now, our friendship is offered, though the distance > between us is great. Friendship it is. Glad to be of acquaintance. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 15:50:42 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:50:43 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Austria Message-ID: <20021001195042.GS17703@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 13 > Yes, the Russian presence in the Black Sea certainly threatens > you. > I, too, have no love for the Russian. As a gesture of good will, I would > be willing to support you into Rumania when the time is right, allowing > you to solidify your northern borders. In exchange, I would of course, > expect no resistance to my moving into Greece to help increase my > production capacity. > > Please let me know how this proposal impresses you. Perfect. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Tue Oct 1 15:58:53 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:58:53 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1901, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021001195853.GT17703@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 11 F Ank -> Bla A Con -> Bul A Smy -> Con -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "What's jousting? Jousting is when two guys strapped in armor charge their horses at each other while trying to knock the holy bejeesus out of each other with long wooden poles. Or one guy on a flying bird trying to turn enemy birds into eggs. Depends on what generation you belong to." --The Self-Made Critic From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 15:24:45 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91JOeWd022643 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id DC99569110; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D052C690F7 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91JOd021301 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:24:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:24:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 148 Lines: 9 Ah, I misunderstood your first missive. Very well, our fleets will meet in the Black Sea and neither of us will control it. The Russian Bear From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 17:48:43 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91LmgWd026777 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5F93F69109; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB93690F7 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91LmgR09871 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 12 France thinks that I am going to invade you. France keeps telling me that I am going to invade you. I am not going to invade you. I am too far away from you. You will see this week that I am not going to invade you. I do not want you to be afraid of Italy. You can ask any of my friends, Austria Russia or England. I do not want you to be angry. France and Austria do not know who is going to invade Black Sea. From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 1 17:51:46 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g91LpkWd026830 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 81ECA690F9; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:45 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C8690F7 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g91Lpju11259 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 36 Lines: 6 Why did you want to be Turkey? From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 2 18:04:33 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g92M4WWd026805 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 4C74869157; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:04:32 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414A069111 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:04:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g92M4Vr21431 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:04:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:04:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 200 Lines: 12 > Perfect. Outstanding. As a show of good faith, I will warn you that the Russian intends to attempt a move into the Black Sea, but I'm guessing you anticipated that. The Dual Monarch. From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Oct 2 18:13:33 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:13:33 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Austria Message-ID: <20021002221333.GF1095@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 17 > > Perfect. > > Outstanding. As a show of good faith, I will warn you that the > Russian intends to attempt a move into the Black Sea, but I'm guessing > you anticipated that. Yes. On an unrelated note: How much communication have you had with Italy? I have received, to date, eight messages from himi, all but one of them *not* in response to anything from me. He comes across as extremely inexperienced, but I suspect that this may be a ruse; I was wondering if he was pulling the same act on everyone. In any case, he strikes me as something of a random variable, and worth watching out for. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Oct 2 18:14:29 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:14:29 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Italy Message-ID: <20021002221429.GG1095@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 6 > Why did you want to be Turkey? Because I always play Turkey. Why did you want to be Austria? --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 2 20:58:27 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g930wRWd000344 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 90D456911E; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:58:26 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856EF69108 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:58:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g930wQ102975 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:58:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:58:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: From Austria to Turkey Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 17 > On an unrelated note: How much communication have you had with Italy? I > have received, to date, eight messages from himi, all but one of them > *not* in response to anything from me. He comes across as extremely > inexperienced, but I suspect that this may be a ruse; I was wondering > if he was pulling the same act on everyone. In any case, he strikes me > as something of a random variable, and worth watching out for. Myself and everyone else I have discussed this with are all of the same opinion. Given his interactions with some other nations, I am not entirely convinced that this is a ruse, but you never know. I am definitely wary of Italy. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 3 09:08:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g93D8bWd012207 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 1A344691C2; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:37 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E51E69105 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93D8aC07197 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 46 Lines: 6 You are confused I am Italy not Austria. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 3 11:10:40 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g93FAdWd015217 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id C53F1691DA; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:39 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FFA690F3 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93FAdI04577 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 205 Lines: 8 Are you angry that I will invade Ionian? Austria is a little angry but I understand why. If you are not angry then I will still invade Ionian but if you are also angry I might move to Tyrr instead. From dpb Thu Oct 3 11:31:47 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:31:47 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Italy Message-ID: <20021003153147.GI1095@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 10 > You are confused I am Italy not Austria. My bad. Why did you choose to be Italy? > Are you angry that I will invade Ionian? Austria is a little angry but I > understand why. If you are not angry then I will still invade Ionian but > if you are also angry I might move to Tyrr instead. I would certainly prefer that you not invade the Ionian Sea--why would you be doing so? From dpb Thu Oct 3 11:34:03 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:34:03 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20021003153403.GJ1095@cs.brown.edu> References: <200210030059.g930xEG03244@1x5.imsa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210030059.g930xEG03244@1x5.imsa.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 6 Did you mean to send something there? I just got a message to undisclosed-recipients:;, with no subject and no body. I also got four copies of the same message from Austria. Is your email system working ok? From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 2 20:59:15 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g930xFWd000355 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id B08996911E; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:59:14 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A641569108 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:59:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g930xEG03244 for dwarf; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:59:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:59:14 -0500 From: Message-Id: <200210030059.g930xEG03244@1x5.imsa.edu> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 0 Lines: 0 From dpb@cs.brown.edu Thu Oct 3 11:41:19 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:41:19 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20021003154119.GK1095@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021003153403.GJ1095@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 13 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > Hee hee. > > Imsasun was having problems last night with creating files in temp space. > It spit back an error whenever I tried sending you that email from > Austria -- so I kept trying ;) > > It looks like that problem's cleared up. > > "I always play Turkey". Nice. Yeah, I thought that was cute myself. I wonder what Italy's thinking right now. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 3 11:39:32 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g93FdPWd016085 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72B690F3 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:39:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93FdLK10468 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:39:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:39:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20021003153403.GJ1095@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 528 Lines: 23 Hee hee. Imsasun was having problems last night with creating files in temp space. It spit back an error whenever I tried sending you that email from Austria -- so I kept trying ;) It looks like that problem's cleared up. "I always play Turkey". Nice. On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Did you mean to send something there? I just got a message to > undisclosed-recipients:;, with no subject and no body. > > I also got four copies of the same message from Austria. Is your email > system working ok? > From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Oct 4 05:27:34 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:27:35 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Italy Message-ID: <20021004092734.GF4127@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1194 Lines: 20 > I want to invade Ionian because France and England explained to me if I do > not then someone else will it is a good place to sit in order to make sure > no one France Turkey or Austria is able to surround me and also to protect > Tunisia which I hope will be invaded this week. The boat army is not > angry at Turkey or Austria and will only be friends with them. I know it > will be friends with Austria because I am friends with Austria and only I > can tell that army what to do. I do not know if it will be friends with > Turkey because I have not talked to you very often and I do not know if > you are friends with me. I chose to be Italy because it is in the center > of the game and it will be interesting to have so many neighbors. Well, I will definitely be your friend if you don't move eastward, i.e. into the Ionian. If you do, friendship may still be possible, but I have to admit that I'd be a great deal more wary of you then. Why don't you just send your navy into the Tyrrhenian Sea? It can just as easily get to Tunis from either one, and the Tyrrhenian Sea would make me (and Austria, I'm sure) feel so much friendlier. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 3 12:20:24 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g93GKOWd017285 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id E0E9C691E0; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:20:23 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B1E69140 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:20:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93GKNY22716 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:20:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:20:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 732 Lines: 14 I want to invade Ionian because France and England explained to me if I do not then someone else will it is a good place to sit in order to make sure no one France Turkey or Austria is able to surround me and also to protect Tunisia which I hope will be invaded this week. The boat army is not angry at Turkey or Austria and will only be friends with them. I know it will be friends with Austria because I am friends with Austria and only I can tell that army what to do. I do not know if it will be friends with Turkey because I have not talked to you very often and I do not know if you are friends with me. I chose to be Italy because it is in the center of the game and it will be interesting to have so many neighbors. From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Oct 4 10:13:03 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g94ED2Wd018014 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id A5B6469133; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:13:02 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8EB6911D for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:13:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94ED2R28946 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:13:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:13:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 66 Lines: 6 I agree I want you to be my friend I will not invade Ionian. From dpb Sat Oct 5 14:57:56 2002 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:57:56 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: From Turkey to Austria Message-ID: <20021005185756.GB16611@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 6 All goes according to plan. I'll be moving into Rumania now, and especially having convinced Italy not to occupy the Ionian, you're perfectly set to lend me the support I need. Thanks! --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Sat Oct 5 15:01:00 2002 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:01:00 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1901, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021005190100.GC16611@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 11 I'm disocvering that it's really hard not to type "France moves" in the subject line. Really got that muscle memory going. :) A Bul -> Rum A Con -> Bul F Ank -> BLA -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- When you try to make an impression, the chances are that is the impression you will make. From dpb Sat Oct 5 15:03:35 2002 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:03:35 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: From Turkey to Russia Message-ID: <20021005190335.GD16611@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 156 Lines: 4 I am pleased with the naval exercises conducted on the Black Sea and look forward to continuing them this season. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Sun Oct 6 19:16:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g96NGbWd011989 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id DBB8A69131; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:16:36 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5E36912A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:16:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96NGac15986 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:16:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 274 Lines: 12 Grand Sultan: I am open to this arrangement. However, might a suggest a temporary alliance against the Austrian threat? If you do not see this proposal as to your benefit, that is all you need to respond and we can continue our exercises as before. The Russian Bear From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 16:36:17 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g97KaHWd007989 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D1A4B6919C; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C402869150 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97KaGw22284 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:36:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:36:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 458 Lines: 18 > All goes according to plan. I'll be moving into Rumania now, and > especially having convinced Italy not to occupy the Ionian, you're > perfectly set to lend me the support I need. Thanks! Grand Sultan, I have submitted the appropriate orders to ensure your swift movement into Rumania. At that point I presume we can work together to secure what will then be our common northern frontier. Good luck, and happy hunting. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Sun Oct 6 11:35:46 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g96FZkWd004715 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id E6ED469101; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC42690F7 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96FZjx03467 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:35:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:35:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 34 Greetings, great Sultan! The Kaiser hopes things are well in Asia Minor. That cradle of Civilization must indeed be a wonder to inhabit and a delight to rule. We must apologize for not contacting the Ottomans earlier, but our attention was very much tied up in the tawdry affairs of regional politics. We here in Germany could not help but take note when our messengers brought us word of the recent events in the Black Sea. It would appear that we are not the only ones who are having difficulties with the bloodthirsty Tsar. Since he is clearly a menace to Europe and Asia both, we propose to work with our friends the Saracens to hamper his efforts and bring about his eventual demise. As a first step toward this goal, we would suggest the possibility of an assault on Sevastopol from Armenia. Note that if the Tsar wishes to make his forces useful, he must eventually dispatch them westward, which would leave Sevastopol vulnerable. Defending against such an attack would also reduce the Tsar's ability to strike the Balkan region, thus simplifying Turkey's efforts there. In exchange for this, the Kaiser proposes to use his considerable influence with his friend the Dual Monarch of Austria to guarantee Turkey possession of Rumania. Please indicate your acceptance of this offer promptly so that we may begin such discussions with Austria as soon as possible. Best wishes, Kaiser Wilhelm From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 16:46:26 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:46:26 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: <20021007204626.GK953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 299 Lines: 8 > I have submitted the appropriate orders to ensure your swift > movement into Rumania. At that point I presume we can work together to > secure what will then be our common northern frontier. Good luck, and > happy hunting. That is the plan, yes. Good doing business with you. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 16:50:43 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:43 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Russia Message-ID: <20021007205043.GL953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 13 > I am open to this arrangement. However, might a suggest a temporary > alliance against the Austrian threat? If you do not see this proposal as > to your benefit, that is all you need to respond and we can continue our > exercises as before. Won't you be busy with Germany in that time? I can't take Greece right now, not with that fleet in Albania, but once I have built a fleet in Smyrna, I should be able to handle Austria by myself. Of course, having you acting on his northern border should serve as a nice distraction. Or was there something you were looking for me to do against Austria? Let me know. --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Oct 7 16:57:26 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:57:26 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: message subjects and other trivia Message-ID: <20021007205726.GM953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 808 Lines: 16 Sorry about that, I forgot to fix the subject on that email to austria. By the way, do you have any preference between "From X to Y" and "To Y from X"? You specified the former in an early email, but everyone else seems to use the latter. Also, I'd like to point out that jpg files are really good for photographs and things with shading, but gif and png are better for bitmapped things like the dip map. I don't know that they'll be smaller, but they'll definitely look better. :) -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "Babies on the other hand, spend the vast majority of their time either i) sleeping, ii) eating, or iii) bitching. Behaviorally, they're a lot like sheep, but without the keen, piercing intelligence. Or the ability to move." --Jeff Vogel From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 17:06:06 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:06:06 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: From Turkey to Germany Message-ID: <20021007210606.GN953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1180 Lines: 22 > We here in Germany could not help but take note when our messengers > brought us word of the recent events in the Black Sea. It would appear > that we are not the only ones who are having difficulties with the > bloodthirsty Tsar. Since he is clearly a menace to Europe and Asia both, > we propose to work with our friends the Saracens to hamper his efforts and > bring about his eventual demise. For the moment, of course, we can keep standing him off, but then, this occupies our fleet, so we hope to end the repeated standoffs soon. > As a first step toward this goal, we would suggest the possibility of an > assault on Sevastopol from Armenia. Note that if the Tsar wishes to make > his forces useful, he must eventually dispatch them westward, which would > leave Sevastopol vulnerable. Defending against such an attack would also > reduce the Tsar's ability to strike the Balkan region, thus simplifying > Turkey's efforts there. We have certainly considered the idea of attacking from Armenia, but since that can't possibly happen until next year at the earliest, we plan to wait some time before we commit to that plan. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 17:04:09 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g97L45Wd008851 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C916919D for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97L45S01236 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: message subjects and other trivia In-Reply-To: <20021007205726.GM953@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 933 Lines: 25 Yeah, I might move to a different format 'cause the map is really fairly poor. But I'm a skinflint for the disk space, 'cause I'm running out. I'll check a few formats out next year. I remember specifying the former format (eew) earlier, but really I do prefer the latter. You can switch to that one. I noticed you were the only one following my original request. Heh. On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Sorry about that, I forgot to fix the subject on that email to austria. > By the way, do you have any preference between "From X to Y" and "To Y > from X"? You specified the former in an early email, but everyone else > seems to use the latter. > > Also, I'd like to point out that jpg files are really good for > photographs and things with shading, but gif and png are better for > bitmapped things like the dip map. I don't know that they'll be > smaller, but they'll definitely look better. :) > > From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 18:11:47 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:11:47 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021007221147.GO953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 2356 Lines: 44 > I am merely trying to figure out where to move my army in Ukraine. I've > been eyeing Galicia, but am willing to support your army in Bulgaria move > to Rumania. Or, if you have no designs on Rumania, then block the > Austrian army in Budapest from that province. A brilliant plan has just occurred to me. Currently, Austria believes that I intend to move north, much as you think I plan to move west--I admit, I have straddled the fence until now, to give me time to decide what to do. I would prefer to move west, though, as it gives me a cleaner front line and better expansion plans. Not to be blunt or anything. The only concern I have is that a fleet in Sevastopol is very threatening to me. An army would be vastly less so; but this would require removing the fleet somehow. So here is my idea. This fall, Austria is expecting me to try for Rumania, and for our units to bounce in the Black Sea. To keep up appearances, I go through with this, and you move your Sev fleet into Armenia. Your Ukraine army can move in to defend Sevastopol, enter Galicia, or move toward your German front. Galicia would be really daring, because then it would look like you were attacking three countries at once! At the end of this, I have my fleet in the Black Sea and an army in Rumania, you have your fleet in Armenia, and it looks like you've come up with a clever way to threaten my supply center--we're still "at war" and Austria thinks he knows what is going on. But when I attack the fleet with support, you simply disband it rather than retreating to Sevastopol. With this accomplished, I can then leave the Black Sea via Constantinople, and it could then be DMZ. I will be keeping an army in Rumania, since it is on my front with Austria, so you will presumably want to keep an army in Sevastopol. The exact play of the Ukraine army is up to you, and depends on the extent to which you trust me. There is a possibility that Austria will stab me before I get a chance to stab him, by using his Serbian army to support his Budapest army into Rumania. This could certainly be forestalled by you supporting me in, but in the case that Austria doesn't do that, it would tip our hand earlier than I'd like (though somewhat confusingly, what with the whole Armenia business). I am indecisive on this point. What is your opinion? --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 7 17:04:32 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g97L4VWd008857 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id E5162691A3; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4186919D for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97L4U601420 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 282 Lines: 10 I am merely trying to figure out where to move my army in Ukraine. I've been eyeing Galicia, but am willing to support your army in Bulgaria move to Rumania. Or, if you have no designs on Rumania, then block the Austrian army in Budapest from that province. The Russian Bear From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 8 11:17:28 2002 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:17:28 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021008151728.GB4660@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 2790 Lines: 51 > I'll allow you into the Black Sea in exchange for Rumania, which is not a > deal I think you'll accept. I am also willing to your plan with the > modification that my fleet does retreat, but with the promise to keep it > out of the Black Sea. I admit that this requires you to trust me, and > implies that I don't trust you. But my faith in others has been used up > in my northern theater. Understood. The whole point of the Armenia maneuver was to be able to disband your fleet, so there's no real point in doing that if you won't be disbanding. Seen from my perspective, the only difference between a Russian army in Sev and a Russian fleet there is that a fleet can launch a southern offensive against me; the defensive capabilities of each are equal. I understand if you are not ready to perform this maneuver yet, but we will not have a truly stable border (which I want as much as you) until that fleet is gone, somehow. Since it cannot retreat northward, the only way that I am aware of to remove that fleet is for it to be dislodged and disbanded (and replace with an army). > Barring that, I prefer our previous stand-off in the Black Sea and moving > into Galicia. I will be moving into the Black Sea, and if we bounce again, that is acceptable. It occurs to me that the maneuver as I proposed it would leave you with one less unit for a whole season (next Fall); if we start it in the Spring, however, you would be able to disband in the Fall retreats and then immediately rebuild during the Adjustments. We can discuss this further in the spring. > Of course, I am still willing to give the Austrians grief > in support your Army in Bulgaria, but understand that you are still > weighing your targets. There are two possibilities. One is that Austria believes I am an ally, and supports me into Rumania. The other is that he realizes that I plan to betray him, or has decided to stab me, and uses Serbia to support Budapest into Rumania. In the former case, an attack on Budapest is a clear act of war on Austria, but otherwise essentially a no-op, since it was supporting my unit which didn't need it, and it would bounce you back to your current position. In the latter case, beside being an act of war it is a huge gain in position, since although I lose Rumania, Austria loses a home supply center to you. In either case, a move to Galicia is an act of war, a definite but small gain in position, and will face armies in Vienna and Budapest the following turn. At this point, I really don't know which is more likely (although Germany claimed to have influence with the Dual Monarch...), so I'll just submit you the analysis and leave you the call: a certain but slight gain in position, or a coin toss between a zero gain and a huge gain. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 8 10:23:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g98ENbWd027692 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D1D2769161; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:23:36 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB396915F for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:23:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98ENab04071 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:23:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 921 Lines: 26 Grand Sultan: As we are both being frank with each other, I will state plainly. My hope was to encourage you towards Austria, and not an operation of the scale you are proposing. I see the merits of your plan, but it introduces too much of a risk to my southern border. I'll allow you into the Black Sea in exchange for Rumania, which is not a deal I think you'll accept. I am also willing to your plan with the modification that my fleet does retreat, but with the promise to keep it out of the Black Sea. I admit that this requires you to trust me, and implies that I don't trust you. But my faith in others has been used up in my northern theater. Barring that, I prefer our previous stand-off in the Black Sea and moving into Galicia. Of course, I am still willing to give the Austrians grief in support your Army in Bulgaria, but understand that you are still weighing your targets. The Russian Bear From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 8 12:42:45 2002 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:42:46 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021008164245.GE4660@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 185 Lines: 8 > I prefer the safer Galicia move. So unless I have misunderstood anything, > my agreed upon southern movements will be: > F Sev-Bla > A Urk-Gal > > The Russian Bear Fine by me, RB. From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 8 12:00:25 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g98G0OWd000341 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 56474691D5; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B61969162 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98G0Og32184 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 176 Lines: 13 Great Sultan: I prefer the safer Galicia move. So unless I have misunderstood anything, my agreed upon southern movements will be: F Sev-Bla A Urk-Gal The Russian Bear From dpb Wed Oct 9 01:43:24 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:43:24 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1901, Turkey builds Message-ID: <20021009054324.GG4660@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 12 I build armies in Ankara and Constantinople. What the hell was Russia thinking? God, he just yielded StP to England and has lost Sev to me unless Austria throws in with him. He should've taken the alliance while he had the chance (sure as hell would've made my life easier---now I'm going to have to play the "who first?" game with Austria). -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the galaxy lies a small yellow sun, orbited by a blue green planet, whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think Windows is a pretty neat idea. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 9 09:24:05 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g99DO4Wd028533 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A135969189 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:24:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99DO4k01351 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:24:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:24:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Winter 1901, Turkey builds In-Reply-To: <20021009054324.GG4660@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 14 Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen a dip game where only 5 nations get builds during the first winter. On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > I build armies in Ankara and Constantinople. What the hell was Russia > thinking? God, he just yielded StP to England and has lost Sev to me > unless Austria throws in with him. He should've taken the alliance > while he had the chance (sure as hell would've made my life easier---now > I'm going to have to play the "who first?" game with Austria). > > From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 9 12:37:59 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g99GbxMI003624 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D8F9969154; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19246914D for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99GbwS19839 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:37:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 22 Sultan, It has been an interesting year in Europe. I have been recently briefed on the situation in the Balkans. Congratuations on your gains! However, France must also send a word of caution to the Ottoman Empire. If appears from this distant locale that your route of expansion is to the north. We believe you will have great success in this endeavour. Unfortunately, we forsee problems in the not distant future for your nation. Austria, while friendly now, will soon grow to close your western border. At least half of the Italian supply centers, and a center each from Russia and Germany will swell his forces. While Turkey may have success in Russia, it appears that England will beat Turkey to the northernmost centers. What then, will Turkey do when she is cornered by a nine center Austria and a potentially equally strong England? I apologize for spoiling the victories of your people with my long-winded warning. But I urge you to think carefully of your current allies. France From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Oct 9 18:23:09 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:23:09 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021009222309.GH4660@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1525 Lines: 31 > The Russian Bear is severely weakened. I was pleased that he so > easily shared his plans with me, so that I was able to turn them to your > significant betterment. Certainly it appears you will benefit more from > his current state than I will. I thank you. I had wondered if he thought he was getting help from you, because his actions make absolutely no sense on their own--as you note, Sevastopol will soon be mine and Russia will be unable to stop me. I wonder if he realizes what a huge tactical mistake it was to let me into the Black Sea? > Sevastopol is your for the taking, after which Moscow and St. > Petersburg should fall in short order. Despite the American press > speculating that our two great Empires shall have to inevitably butt > heads in the near future, I am hoping that we can reach an arrangement > that avoids such an unpleasant future for our nations. I agree that such would be unpleasant. Happily, the moron in Russia is nicely complemented by the cretin in Italy, leaving you and me the opportunities to move west and north, respectively, leaving our backs to one another. > I am open to suggestions for how we may cooperate in the future, > if you have any. Certainly I will offer any assistance I can in > finishing off the Russian in short order. I'll let you know if I think of anything; for now it is enough to set out in different directions. If anything, the debt runs the other way--perhaps in a few seasons I can support you into Germany. -TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 9 18:00:34 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g99M0UWx012476 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 55B3469111; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D58690FB for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99M0U215103 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 797 Lines: 22 Grand Sultan, The Russian Bear is severely weakened. I was pleased that he so easily shared his plans with me, so that I was able to turn them to your significant betterment. Certainly it appears you will benefit more from his current state than I will. Sevastopol is your for the taking, after which Moscow and St. Petersburg should fall in short order. Despite the American press speculating that our two great Empires shall have to inevitably butt heads in the near future, I am hoping that we can reach an arrangement that avoids such an unpleasant future for our nations. I am open to suggestions for how we may cooperate in the future, if you have any. Certainly I will offer any assistance I can in finishing off the Russian in short order. The Dual Monarch From dpb Wed Oct 9 18:23:46 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:23:46 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: From Turkey to Russia Message-ID: <20021009222346.GI4660@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 18 Lines: 3 Happy? --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 9 17:09:54 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g99L9rWx011227 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7C26A691CD; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:09:53 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707D1691CC for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:09:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99L9rA27291 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:09:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 5 Now we are in week second of the DIPLOMACY game. I am having a very good time and I thank you very much for playing with me. This is a very interesting game and I like it very much. From dpb Wed Oct 9 18:25:56 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:25:56 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1902, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021009222556.GJ4660@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 12 A Ank -> Arm F BLA S A Ank -> Arm A Rum S A Bul A Bul S A Rum A Con S A Bul -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Universe, n.: The problem. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 10 10:24:35 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9AEOYWx029513 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id AFE37691F8; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52C969136 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AEOYA02471 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:24:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:24:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 78 Lines: 9 *shrug* I was well aware of the risks of my actions. The Russian Bear From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Oct 11 15:14:00 2002 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:14:00 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021011191400.GA30212@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1572 Lines: 31 > It has been an interesting year in Europe. I have been recently > briefed on the situation in the Balkans. Congratuations on your gains! Thank you, and I apologize for not responding sooner. > However, France must also send a word of caution to the Ottoman > Empire. If appears from this distant locale that your route of expansion > is to the north. We believe you will have great success in this > endeavour. Unfortunately, we forsee problems in the not distant future > for your nation. Austria, while friendly now, will soon grow to close > your western border. At least half of the Italian supply centers, and a > center each from Russia and Germany will swell his forces. While Turkey > may have success in Russia, it appears that England will beat Turkey to > the northernmost centers. What then, will Turkey do when she is cornered > by a nine center Austria and a potentially equally strong England? I am aware that I need to be cautious of Austria, but for now I think that it will be alright. And in any case, it isn't as if I have much choice! > I apologize for spoiling the victories of your people with my > long-winded warning. But I urge you to think carefully of your current > allies. I do sincerely thank you for your concern; someday our countries may not be so distant from each other, and when that day comes I would be honored to discuss alliance with you. Best of luck in warding off the irritating pest to the south as you turn your real attention northward.... --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Sat Oct 12 16:41:09 2002 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:41:09 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021012204109.GA4773@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 4 I have to confess that I am a bit nervous about the army you currently have placed in Galicia. What are your plans for that unit? --TGSotOE From dpb Sat Oct 12 16:49:22 2002 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:49:22 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021012204922.GB4773@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 12 It now seems very clear to me that Austria intends to stab me this round. I had thought it would be next year... but it seems obvious to me that the Galician army is there to menace Rumania. Thus, I'm willing to give an alliance between us a second chance. As I stated earlier, it really would have been my preference, and I am sad that it didn't work out then. Perhaps we will have better luck now. Are you interested? We can discuss the exact details after you respond. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Sun Oct 13 10:51:43 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9DEphWx016785 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D1FB069107; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58A4690FB for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9DEpgw02146 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:51:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To turkey from russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 10 Grand Sultan: I am interested, although it is of course impossible to guarantee that any support my forces will provide will not be cut off. RB From dpb Sun Oct 13 14:41:57 2002 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:41:58 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021013184157.GA10549@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 14 Congratulations on your impressive maneuvering in the north. You obviously seemto have an excellent handle on the thought processes of the Russian, and as such, we were wondering if you could grant us some insight? Is it a true alliance that you have with him, or is it (as it appears) more of a one-sided relationship? It was nice to help him into Kiel, but seriously, it's a fleet in Kiel with no supply lines back home--not really a very strong position for him. Anyway, we've had a very frustrating time in our correspondence with Russia. It seemed for a while as if this might be due to puissance and subtlety on the part of the Russian, but we now think it was just incompetence, and we just wanted to get your opinion on the matter. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Sun Oct 13 14:53:30 2002 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:53:30 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021013185330.GA10478@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 12 Our condolences on your current position--it is never easy to have a foreign unit in a home center. With luck, you'll be able to oust the Russian moron and get on with your life. In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right? It seems only reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic motivations to do otherwise. We ask, though, because whether the Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which we handle the Russian situation this season. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dwarf@imsa.edu Sun Oct 13 15:03:50 2002 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:03:50 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021013190350.GB10478@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Lines: 18 > I am interested, although it is of course impossible to guarantee that any > support my forces will provide will not be cut off. In fact, I was rather hoping you would use your Warsaw and Ukraine armies to support yourself into Galicia. This has the twin benefits of cutting a possible line of support and providing a distracting threat to Austria. With Galicia out of the way, I can have my Rumanian and Bulgarian armies hold steady while I reposition my fleet through Constantinople for Mediterranean use. This plan also has the advantage of being more appealing to you, since it is not particularly a sacrifice (and improves your position considerably). I expect you may have already been considering it, in fact--but of course, it was impossible to be sure, as I needed to be. Thank you for reconsidering an alliance with me. I'm glad there are no hard feelings. --TGSotOE From dpb Sun Oct 13 15:08:12 2002 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:08:12 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021013190812.GC10478@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 10 I still think you're crazy for not getting the supply center in Tunis, but I have to say that I admire your ability to build such an obviously solid alliance with Austria. Good work, but I don't think it'll buy you much in the end: with only three units, you'll at best just hold off France long enough for Austria to finish whatever he's doing with Russia (or me) and come back and acquire your peninsula. Good luck, though! --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Sun Oct 13 15:15:24 2002 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:15:24 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021013191524.GD10478@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 11 I'd like to let you know that your advice was spot-on: sure enough, Austria seems poised to stab me this turn. I had thought it would be Spring 03, but alas. He has clearly allied with Italy, and that Galician army is mighty close to Rumania. I seem to have become the odd man out in this conflict, but if I survive I'd definitely be interested in talking alliance with you in a few seasons. And hey, lend Germany a hand if you can. He's likely to be your best buffer against the British(/Russian) juggernaut. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 12:29:36 2002 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:29:36 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021014162936.GC10549@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 4087 Lines: 81 > And congratulations on your own expansionist > successes in the south. I can't say that I have deep > insight into the Russian's thought process. In truth > I have considered him a true ally, albeit one with > only limited survival potential as things have gone. > I don't know how much longer I will be able to nurse > his fortunes in the north, but I have a fondness for > him that has already stayed my hand from easy > betrayals. > > I've urged him to try to win alliance with one of > you or Austria, with the obvious preference being for > you, as Austria will /surely/ spell your doom in the > near future. I expect Austria to be the biggest > threat to the success of me and my allies, whomever > they ultimately are. Yes, that is my assessment of Austria as well. I had hoped to ally with Russia from the start, but his attack on Armenia, and on Rumania, prevented that (and without even being very useful for him). One of my requests--both before and after the Armenian invasion--was that he somehow work with me to convert that fleet into an army. I assume that this was too onerous for him, although I outlined a plan that would be minimally threatening to him and would enable him to avoid losing the use of that unit for any time (by me "attacking" it, him voluntarily disbanding in the fall and rebuilding an army in the winter). If even he had merely told me that he would never do it, we still might have worked something out, but as it was, he effectively said "maybe later" and then stabbed me. Or, perhaps "poked" is a better word, because the stab wasn't very effective. Now, of course, I have to care about Austria, and his army in Galicia, much more than I care about Russia and the Sevastopol fleet. It is frustrating, because that fleet can't do anything in our alliance beside support a single unit. At least the Ukraine army can be effective, and in particular, I have asked Russia to use that with support from his Warsaw army to take Galicia, which will ease the pressure on my northern border, as well as advancing his own position. I hope he takes me up on it--surely he realizes that he can't possibly get more than one or maybe two supply centers out of supporting Austria against me, while Austria would certainly get a much better deal. Among other things, he's never going to get use of that fleet as such, since Austria would never permit it either. Oh well, we can talk again about converting it into an army in a year or two, since I just don't have the resources to devote to such a behind-the-lines tactical maneuver right now. > I expect Russia's misfortune may be complete soon, which is > unfortunate, since it will also mean a bad outcome for you with > respect to Austria. Tell me about it. > I want Germany neutralized before I make any long > term commitments. I will press the Russian to work > with you for the time being if you will work against > Austrian expansionism. I don't know why he should > have been so slack in corresponding with you. If you > deal in good faith, either as an ally, or as an > honorable foe, to the Russian, I will deal fairly with > you should we become neighbors. And it does seem inevitable that sooner or later, you will become neighbors with either Austria or myself. It galls me that Russia is the one that will effectively make that choice. Ah, the vagaries of the European political scene. > ps - Can you offer me any insight at all into the > Italian's insane and suicidal campaign? Not much, although I have recently become of the opinion that the Austrian has convinced him to ally; in fact, it was Austria's refusal to take the easy centers in Italy that made me dead certain he is about to stab me this season. I am continually shocked that Tunis has remained neutral so long. I suspect that Italy is getting a constant stream of self-serving advice from Austria. It will certainly be effective at keeping France and Italy small, and keeping Austria's back clear, until he can get around to dealing with them. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 09:36:50 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9EDanWx005860 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 8285E69176; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:36:49 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7634C69140 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:36:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9EDanS31022 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:36:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from England Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1676 Lines: 45 Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, And congratulations on your own expansionist successes in the south. I can't say that I have deep insight into the Russian's thought process. In truth I have considered him a true ally, albeit one with only limited survival potential as things have gone. I don't know how much longer I will be able to nurse his fortunes in the north, but I have a fondness for him that has already stayed my hand from easy betrayals. I've urged him to try to win alliance with one of you or Austria, with the obvious preference being for you, as Austria will /surely/ spell your doom in the near future. I expect Austria to be the biggest threat to the success of me and my allies, whomever they ultimately are. As to the misfortune of the Russian northern position, I am not it's architect. Russia offered me Sweden in exchange for my support against the German as his opening diplomacy. It was easy enough to get France to cooperate in the venture. And the rest is Europe's history. I expect Russia's misfortune may be complete soon, which is unfortunate, since it will also mean a bad outcome for you with respect to Austria. I want Germany neutralized before I make any long term commitments. I will press the Russian to work with you for the time being if you will work against Austrian expansionism. I don't know why he should have been so slack in corresponding with you. If you deal in good faith, either as an ally, or as an honorable foe, to the Russian, I will deal fairly with you should we become neighbors. Edward VII ps - Can you offer me any insight at all into the Italian's insane and suicidal campaign? From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 12:32:18 2002 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:32:18 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from Germany Message-ID: <20021014163218.GD10549@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 792 Lines: 17 > > In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia > > to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right? It seems only > > reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic > > motivations to do otherwise. We ask, though, because whether the > > Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which > > we handle the Russian situation this season. > > The Russian will indeed be losing St. Petersburg. It pleases me to do > what I can to hasten his demise. I'm pleased to hear it. Whatever may happen down south, and even if I am forced to ally with him temporarily, I would be unhappy to see him particularly successful in this conflict. Again, best luck in recapturing your homeland. We'll talk more later. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 09:35:48 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9EDZlWx005851 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 365F469176; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA2F69140 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9EDZlu30894 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:35:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:35:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 510 Lines: 12 > In the meantime, I assume that you'll make use of your fleet in Bothnia > to seize the undefended St. Petersburg, right? It seems only > reasonable, really, though it is possible that there would be diplomatic > motivations to do otherwise. We ask, though, because whether the > Russian loses a center or not will affect the... delicacy... with which > we handle the Russian situation this season. The Russian will indeed be losing St. Petersburg. It pleases me to do what I can to hasten his demise. From dpb Mon Oct 14 12:46:19 2002 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:46:19 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021014164619.GE10478@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 10 I still haven't heard back from you, so I'll assume you're too busy to send much correspondence, but hopefully you're at least checking it. For that army in Galicia, I was hoping that you would hit the Ukraine with it rather than turning it toward Germany. I have to say I was surprised, too, that Italy hadn't taken Tunis yet. It's too bad you hadn't moved your Greek fleet out to the Ionian yet, or you could have grabbed it this fall and had an extra supply center. --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Oct 14 12:51:04 2002 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:51:04 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1902, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021014165104.GF10478@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 16 Whoa, what a crapshoot. A Arm -> Sev F BLA S A Arm -> Sev A Con -> Smy A Rum -> Ser A Bul S A Rum -> Ser -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Marijuana is what is known as a 'gateway drug'. This means that kids move on to harder drugs after trying it and finding out that it's not nearly as good as all the warnings against it would have them believe. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 14 14:43:44 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9EIhdWx012286 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 53BE2691C2; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455E4691BE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9EIhdG32332 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:43:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:43:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To turkey from austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 23 > I still haven't heard back from you, so I'll assume you're too busy to > send much correspondence, but hopefully you're at least checking it. > For that army in Galicia, I was hoping that you would hit the Ukraine > with it rather than turning it toward Germany. Currently, it is my intention to have that unit move on Warsaw in some capacity as that is virtually my only route towards gaining supply capacity this year. > I have to say I was surprised, too, that Italy hadn't taken Tunis yet. > It's too bad you hadn't moved your Greek fleet out to the Ionian yet, or > you could have grabbed it this fall and had an extra supply center. Yes. My incorrect reading of the map will cost me in the short term. Hopefully it will not cost me too dearly in the long term. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 15 09:04:14 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9FD4EWx002362 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 52421691CA; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4707269183 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9FD4DP03359 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:04:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:04:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 115 Lines: 10 Grand Sultan: I apologize for the delay, many other pressing issues in the country. Will move on Galicia. RB From dpb Wed Oct 16 00:05:24 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:05:24 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1902, Turkey disbands and builds Message-ID: <20021016040524.GC25974@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 11 Good heavens, that went down weird. I expected to lose one Balkan, but not both. Well, all is not lost. I disband the retreating army. I then build a fleet in Constantinople. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Thank you for sending me a copy of your book. I'll waste no time reading it. --Moses Hadas From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 15 17:00:16 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9FL0GWx016239 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 436E769190; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E2E69186 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9FL0Fo15743 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:00:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:00:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 14 Grand Sultan, I am in the process of re-evaluating my strategic situation. What, precisely, would you have me do regarding the Ukraine? If you are willing to support my army into the Ukraine, which you can do and still guarantee yourself Sevastopol, then I am certainly willing to move in that direction if it will assist you. This will give me the gateway to Germany that I need to move west. The Dual Monarch From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:01:40 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:01:40 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016160140.GE953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 6 Ho there Italy. Just a bit of friendly advice: now would be an excellent time to demand some assistance from your ally Austria. If he puts a fleet in the Ionian he can support you into Tunis in the Fall, and help you defend against France. --TGSotOE From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:03:04 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:03:04 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Map error Message-ID: <20021016160304.GF953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 8 Spain is still marked as a neutral, although it is now controlled by France. Are you doing these things by hand? If so, I'm impressed. :) -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Seeing the wrong solution to a problem (and understanding why it is wrong) is often as informative as seeing the correct solution. --W. Richard Stevens From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:20:20 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:20 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016162020.GG953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 14 Nice work on landing troops in Holland. Belgium's next? Or are you allied with France? Well, I managed to get rid of the Russian fleet in Sevastopol finally; I only hope that the length of time it took hasn't permanently disabled me. The Balkans are certainly messy. Hopefully I can piece together a reasonable front line again--I wish Austria had a credible threat somewhere else on his borders, either from Italy, Germany, or Russia, but that doesn't seem likely. Anyway, it's good to see that *someone*'s campaign is working as planned. Cheers. --TGSotOE From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:28:04 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:28:04 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016162804.GH953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 15 Hey, I know that you and Germany aren't exactly pals, but could you work out something where one of you takes Munich? I don't much care which one, but I'd just as soon Austria didn't have it. With him holding Munich, he can totally ignore his northern border and concentrate on me exclusively, which is undesirable to say the least. By the way, in your southern region: you've probably already thought of this, but make sure you let Italy take Tunis in the spring, while you rotate your Spanish and WMed fleets through to WMed and Northern Africa (and your Gulf of Lyon fleet into Tyrrhenian Sea)--this guarantees you Tunis in the fall, when it matters, and trying to take it sooner will just make you bounce all over the place and unable to guarantee the extra center for the winter. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 12:25:30 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GGPTWx009442 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7ED6910B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GGPTO01659 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:25:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:25:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Map error In-Reply-To: <20021016160304.GF953@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 17 Heh. Well, it's a logistics thing. I updated the map using Diplo software at home last night. I didn't ftp up the .dip file it made, so when I got into work this morning, I had the option of either doing the retreats and builds by had, or recreating the last few years in Diplo. I opened paint and did them by hand (note the somewhat darker looking border on Ruhr ;) ). On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Spain is still marked as a neutral, although it is now controlled by > France. Are you doing these things by hand? If so, I'm impressed. :) > > From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 12:28:03 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GGS3Wx009525 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id EB1FE69196; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9096910B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:28:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GGS2V02149 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:28:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: oh... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 43 Lines: 3 Oh, and thanks for the heads up. Fixed. From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:35:52 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:35:53 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016163552.GI953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 14 Agh, I should have coordinated better with you--had you not attacked Warsaw, the Russian attack on Galicia would have succeeded. It wouldn't have directly mattered to my moves, but at least I wouldn't have had the Ukraine army still on my border after the stab. Ah well, water under the bridge. I do, however, recommend that you get on the horn with France, and try to get him to support you into Munich. However well-allied France may have been with England, you can make a strong case that England is now a threat; and Austria certainly is a threat. If Austria keeps Munich, he can ignore his entire border except for me. And once he finishes with me, he'll be a huge power that can sweep the board.... --TGSotOE From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:38:40 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:38:40 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Russia from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016163840.GJ953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 6 Sorry. I really needed that fleet out of there. Obviously, you won't be interested in hearing anything from me (least of all battle plans), so I won't even try, but I really do wish you good luck against Germany, and against England once he turns on you. --TGSotOE From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:44:12 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:44:12 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1903, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021016164412.GK953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 14 God, why did I move that army to Smyrna? That was just completely and utterly moronic. Oh well. A Ser -> Gre F Con -> Bul (sc) F Bla S F Con -> Bul (sc) A Sev -> Rum A Smy -> Con -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "Shall I compare thee to a Sony Walkman, thou art more compact and more. She is his own Toshiba, his dinky little JVC, his sweet Aiwa." --Sean Thomas, winner of 2000 Bad Sex Award From dpb Wed Oct 16 12:45:40 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:45:41 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016164540.GL953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 24 Lines: 3 What a mess. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 12:43:40 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GGhdWx010078 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5D1A9690F3; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE53690EB for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GGhdN07637 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:43:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:43:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 7 That is a super idea thank you! I didn't know how to stop France and I didn't know what I could do so that is the right thing to do. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 14:27:21 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GIRKWx013314 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 51C796910D; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D59D6910B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GIRKR12997 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To turkey from germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 25 To Turkey from Germany > I do, however, recommend that you get on the horn with France, and try > to get him to support you into Munich. However well-allied France may > have been with England, you can make a strong case that England is now a > threat; and Austria certainly is a threat. To be frank, at this point, I've decided to return the favor to Russia by devoting myself to attacking him wherever and whenever possible. > If Austria keeps Munich, he can ignore his entire border except for me. > And once he finishes with me, he'll be a huge power that can sweep the > board.... This is of no concern to Germany, for we will be dead and gone long before then. However, we do regret that you and Austria have broken your alliance. I fear that both of you will now fall to England, and I had hoped that would not come to pass. If at all possible, I would recommend patching things up with him. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 14:27:53 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GIRqWx013328 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id EED8F6910C; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B846910B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GIRqu13380 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:27:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 18 Sultan,    I have an ongoing arrangement with the French which is very much like alliance without much of the mutual trust.  I don't intend to seize his lands any time soon.  Rather I hope to keep him a strong power capable of helping against the Austrian.  I know that it seems bleak with the Austrian without, as you say, credible threats.  But with his incursion into Germany, France and I will finally share a front with him, and can perhaps you can make some use of that.  Edward VII From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 14:43:27 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9GIhQWx013871 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id E6F1069112; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA87A6910F for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GIhP917599 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:43:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:43:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Russia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 133 Lines: 10 Grand Sultan: On the contrary. I understand that this is statecraft, not personal. Frankly, I need all the help I can get. RB From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Oct 16 18:12:27 2002 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:12:27 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021016221227.GA921@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 13 > That is a super idea thank you! I didn't know how to stop France and I > didn't know what I could do so that is the right thing to do. More advice on the France Problem: this turn, the best you can hope for is to bounce France out of Tunis; that's the best he can hope as well. But crucially, if he does that he can't guarantee himself into Tunis in the fall. So I suspect he will move WMed -> NAf and Spa -> WMed. If you attack WMed this season, it will bounce him back to Spain; then once Austria is in the Ionian he can support you into Tunis. And even if he doesn't support you, you can at least still bounce the Frenchman in the Fall and deny him the center. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 17 10:57:56 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9HEvuWx011001 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id BF87C691E4; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:57:55 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE866913E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:57:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HEvtA23563 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:57:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To turkey from france Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 931 Lines: 25 > Hey, I know that you and Germany aren't exactly pals, but could you work > out something where one of you takes Munich? I don't much care which > one, but I'd just as soon Austria didn't have it. With him holding > Munich, he can totally ignore his northern border and concentrate on me > exclusively, which is undesirable to say the least. I shall do my best. > By the way, in your southern region: you've probably already thought of > this, but make sure you let Italy take Tunis in the spring, while you > rotate your Spanish and WMed fleets through to WMed and Northern Africa > (and your Gulf of Lyon fleet into Tyrrhenian Sea)--this guarantees you > Tunis in the fall, when it matters, and trying to take it sooner will > just make you bounce all over the place and unable to guarantee the > extra center for the winter. France thanks the Grand Sultan for his advice. Good luck in the Balkans this year. France From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 17 11:56:13 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9HFuAWx012811 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 208D9691EC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1448C691B2 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HFuAn06599 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:56:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:56:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To turkey from austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 61 Lines: 10 To Turkey from Austria Indeed it is. The Dual Monarch From dwarf@imsa.edu Sat Oct 19 18:46:59 2002 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:46:59 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: to turkey from england Message-ID: <20021019224659.GA22430@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 22 > Truthfully I'm torn between ignoring the embarassment > the French leader has caused me and remobilizing my > troops westward to teach him a lesson in humility. I > know Austria is the real threat, and I would have > maintained France's good fortunes as a hedge against > that wily leader, but I can't help but think France is > preparing to stab me in hopes that I am an easier > victim than Austria. If that is the case, it would be > better to have the mad Italian in play than such a > treacherous snake. It's interesting that you say this, because as soon as I examined the mapboard in the Defense Ministry, I decided to send a message to you asking what it would take to get you to attack France this season or the next, for roughly the reasons you describe above. I think I can now contain the Austrian myself, but it will take some time; and France seems to have his act together, and will sweep through Italy quickly if he does not need to defend his northern border. I definitely don't want to break through Austria only to find a strong France on the other side, if possible. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Sat Oct 19 17:38:14 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9JLcDWx002333 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 6ACF269125; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:38:13 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE5E69106 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:38:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9JLcD701489 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:38:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:38:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1460 Lines: 42 Sultan, The twice accursed leaders of France persist in their paranoid suspicions of me, to the cost of my efforts against Germany and Austria. I intended to take Ruhr this season and use it to support France against Munich, but instead he asked for support for his own unit in Burgundy. Now he's positioning himself to expand into Germany rather then to press eastward after crushing Italy. I don't even know how to respond to his naked treason against our alliance. I'm overwrought. I'm going to make a stab at St. Pete's this season unless I get a clear wave-off from the Russian. After I have St. Pete's, I'll support your expansion northward in exchange for you continuing your struggle against the cunning Dual Monarch. Truthfully I'm torn between ignoring the embarassment the French leader has caused me and remobilizing my troops westward to teach him a lesson in humility. I know Austria is the real threat, and I would have maintained France's good fortunes as a hedge against that wily leader, but I can't help but think France is preparing to stab me in hopes that I am an easier victim than Austria. If that is the case, it would be better to have the mad Italian in play than such a treacherous snake. I'll tell you one thing though, if the Frenchman requests any future support from England, I think he'll find that he has to ask with a great deal more humility than he has shown thus far. Yours in great wroth, Edward VIII From dpb Sat Oct 19 18:55:07 2002 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:55:07 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1903, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021019225507.GB22430@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 312 Lines: 13 Sorry I forgot to fix the subject line on that last email. F Bul -> Gre A Con -> Bul A Ser -> Bud A Sev S F BLA -> Rum F BLA -> Rum Ok, I'm pretty please with how that went. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- NICE BRIDGE. WATCH OUT FOR THE TROLL. --Eva Schillace From neilk@imsa.edu Sat Oct 19 19:15:44 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9JNFiWx003646 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DA4690EB for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:15:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9JNFiG14703 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:15:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:15:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Fall 1903, Turkey moves In-Reply-To: <20021019225507.GB22430@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 216 Lines: 8 Yeah, all things considered, it went pretty well. Austria's learning the folly of relying too heavily on fleets in the Balkans. Something Venice never learned ;) > > Ok, I'm pretty please with how that went. From dpb Mon Oct 21 12:21:37 2002 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:21:37 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Re: Fall 1903, Turkey moves FINAL Message-ID: <20021021162137.GH29817@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021019225507.GB22430@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021019225507.GB22430@cs.brown.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 249 Lines: 12 Quoth Don Blaheta: > F Bul -> Gre > A Con -> Bul > A Ser -> Bud > A Sev S F BLA -> Rum > F BLA -> Rum These are final. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. From dpb Wed Oct 23 19:09:21 2002 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:09:21 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1903, Turkey builds Message-ID: <20021023230921.GM953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 11 I'll build a fleet in Smyrna. I wonder if Russia realises that he _must_ retreat to Berlin? I also can't believe that Austria got away with keeping Munich. What a pain. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than forgiveness for being right. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 23 19:14:23 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9NNEIWx003143 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB7169110 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:14:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9NNEIj28532 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:14:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:14:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Winter 1903, Turkey builds In-Reply-To: <20021023230921.GM953@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 15 > I'll build a fleet in Smyrna. > > I wonder if Russia realises that he _must_ retreat to Berlin? Well, he can disband the fleet, or retreat to Baltic. I mean, that would be dumb dumb dumb. But he can do it. > I also can't believe that Austria got away with keeping Munich. What a > pain. Funny, I think. From dpb Thu Oct 24 13:45:24 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:45:24 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1904, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021024174524.GA26572@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 355 Lines: 14 A Ser -> Bud A Sev -> Rum F BLA S A Sev -> Rum F Smy -> AEG F Bul S F Smy -> AEG A Con S F Bul This should, hopefully, work, although if Austria is a good tactician he can block me from acquiring any centres this year, dammit. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword. From dpb Thu Oct 24 13:49:07 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:49:07 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021024174907.GB26572@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 5 Nice maneuvering down in the Mediterranean--things are about wrapped up for the Italian, it looks like. We should talk soon about how to carve up Austria. --TGSotOE From dpb Thu Oct 24 13:58:19 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:58:19 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021024175819.GC26572@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 15 It appears we are thinking along similar lines. As soon as I got wind of the maneuverings of the French and Austrian armies last Fall, I began to worry that the two had allied, and intended to petition you to reconsider your pro-French (well, non-anti-French) position. Before I could send such a courier with that message, however, I learned of your recent fleets constructions and see that you have already done so. May your Atlantic campaigns be a smashing success. It would furthermore seem that we are fast approaching what my ministers keep calling a "midgame" for reasons which are unclear to me. As the last of the German and Russian units are annihilated, and as France and Austria crush Italy between them, we two would be an obvious choice for an alliance against the Franco-Russian axis. What do you think? --TGSotOE From dpb Thu Oct 24 14:03:17 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:03:17 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021024180317.GD26572@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 11 Hi. Sorry the Austria thing didn't work out for you. Now that France has three fleets on your one, I suspect that he will use one to support another into TYS while the Tunisian fleet invades the Ionian. As such, since you can't hang on to TYS, you might as well move to the Ionian to bounce the French fleet there; then in the end you can retreat to Naples for the soon-to-be-necessary homeland defense. Best of luck. We're rooting for you over here, and are sorry that we can't send any material assistance your way. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Oct 25 09:14:49 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9PDEmWx020306 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7DB72691F9; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7253D691C7 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PDEmS31199 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:14:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:14:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey and Austria from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1737 Lines: 32 Gentlemen, We have reached a critical point in Europe's future. England sits at 9 supply centers. By the end of this year, she will most certainly have Belgium (10) and possibly Munich (11) as well. Her fleets will soon overwhelm me. French territories falling under the domain of the King will swell his forces to 17. This cannot be allowed to happen. Perhaps I can stall the English king for some time. In order for this to happen, Italy MUST get off my back. To the dual monarch, Italy is yours. If you like, the army in Piedmont will support a unit into Venice. Preferably, the Trieste fleet. This may force him to disband his fleet and leave my own navies free to act against England. I only ask that I be allowed Tunis. Sultan. I realize that this is a difficult decision for all of us, but a continued war between Austria and Turkey does nothing but hand the game to England. I urge both of your nations to come to a quick agreement and set off northward. Germany and Russia are finished, soon to become English provinces. Turkey, release Serbia to Austria. Austria, release Rumania to Turkey. From there, draw a line in the sand. Turkey, head north through Moscow. Meet the English in Scandinavia, at the very least stop his expansion. Austria, distract the Italians, take their supply centers. Either you or I should be in Munich by the end of the year, or at least kept the English from taking it. From there, you drive northwest, meeting the English in Germany. I can strike from the seas, but ONLY if Italy is no longer a threat, or cooped up on her penninsula with no sea uits. Please, time is short. For the survival of all of our nations, please respond. France From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Oct 25 11:24:50 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9PFOoWx023478 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id EDBDE69107; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA1B690FB for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PFOoV29307 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:24:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:24:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey and France from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 23 The Frank is correct. Grand Sultan, we can continue to fight each other to a standstill, while England reaps the rewards of our futility. Already our conflict has forced you to exchange an Army for a Fleet and caused me to effect a force reduction, thereby limiting both of our abilities to head north and prevent the Englishman from taking over Europe. Unfortunately, we both listened to those gadflies in the Fourth Estate during the same season. We both stabbed, we essentially broke even, and here we are - with virtually nothing to gain except for an ability to speak the King's English sometime in the near future. My original offer for demilitarizing the Balkans still stands. As a show of good will, I am also going to offer you a slice of Italy. Perhaps your sailors would like to vacation in Naples in the near future? We have been blind to developments in the west for too long. The time to continue turning a blind eye has come to an end. The Dual Monarch From dpb Fri Oct 25 12:04:22 2002 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:04:22 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021025160422.GC32592@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 10 I am now dead certain that Austria and France are allied. They've sent some very shrill messages to me, both saying that I should back off from attacking Austria on the basis of you having 9 supply centers-- practically a win right there, I guess. Anyway, I was just looking at the map and trying to plan ahead; Would you be willing to support me into Moscow next season with your St Petersburg army? --TGSotOE From dpb Fri Oct 25 12:07:14 2002 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:07:14 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1904, Turkey moves updated Message-ID: <20021025160714.GD32592@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021024174524.GA26572@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021024174524.GA26572@cs.brown.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 18 I'm switching the configuration of the attack on Rumania: A Ser -> Bud A Sev S F BLA -> Rum F BLA -> Rum F Smy -> AEG F Bul S F Smy -> AEG A Con S F Bul Also, these moves are final. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "[Pagers] retain the upper hand over mobile phones, thanks to fears the latter may interfere with delicate hospital equipment. At least that's what your doctors will tell you if they trade in their pager for a new putter or four iron." --BBC From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Oct 25 15:24:46 2002 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:24:46 -0400 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from England Message-ID: <20021025192446.GQ953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 16 > Indeed, such support (A StP S A Sev - Mos) is within > reason and will be ordered. Not this season! Next season! Sorry if that wasn't clear. > I know we've changed partners now, and I just want > you to know what I see as the ideal path to victory. > I continue to expand along my hostile borders until a > stalemate line of some sort is achieved. If you have > enough supply centers when that happens to put us over > the required number to end victorious, I will accept a > split victory. Is this acceptable to you? A split victory would be acceptable, yes. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Oct 25 15:20:12 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9PJKBWx000344 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 9B9E16914A; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910E769147 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PJKBK30013 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:20:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:20:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from England Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 668 Lines: 22 Sultan, Indeed, such support (A StP S A Sev - Mos) is within reason and will be ordered. I appreciate your warnings that France has sided with Austria, although, to be fair she had little choice in the matter. Italy remains an annoyance that I hope those two liquidate quickly. I know we've changed partners now, and I just want you to know what I see as the ideal path to victory. I continue to expand along my hostile borders until a stalemate line of some sort is achieved. If you have enough supply centers when that happens to put us over the required number to end victorious, I will accept a split victory. Is this acceptable to you? Edward VII From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Oct 25 16:04:24 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9PK4NWx001671 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 8EBA96915D; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824806915B for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PK4Nd12876 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:04:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:04:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 57 Lines: 9 Sultan,    Apologies for the confusion. Edward VII From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 10:27:03 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SFR3Wx003198 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 8A5CF69173; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:27:02 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8738569147 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:27:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SFR2a02651 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:27:02 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:27:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 25 Perhaps you didn't get the message of my previous missive. Let me use smaller words. It doesn't matter what little dance you and Austria do in the Balkans. In a couple of years, England will win...unless we (you, me, Austria) all work together. Here's the rest of the game if it continues as it is going: England just captured Berlin (that's a build). She'll take Belgium in the fall (that's a build). One of those builds will most certainly be a fleet in Liverpool. In the spring, it will travel to the Norwegian Sea. By Fall, an English fleet with be in the Mid-Atlantic and France will fall. Or, I can elect to bounce her there, and lose Tunis to the Italians (who can hold out to the end), and France will fall. Big deal, you say, who cares about France. You should. England will be unstoppable at that point, at 17 SC, is there any doubt she could take the 18th? There is no second place in this game. Only 1 winner, and 6 losers. I urge you to contact Austria and work out a settlement. France From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 10:30:53 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SFUqWx003360 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 46E0F690F3; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:30:52 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B784690CA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SFUqP04020 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:30:52 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:30:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 6 Addendum: Of course, I meant the North Atlantic, not the Norwegian in my last post. From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 10:48:17 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:48:17 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021028154817.GF24602@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 9 > My original offer for demilitarizing the Balkans still stands. As a > show of good will, I am also going to offer you a slice of Italy. > Perhaps your sailors would like to vacation in Naples in the near future? Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible. I would, however, be interested in Greece. Once I have Greece, I would be willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers. --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Oct 28 11:02:26 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:02:26 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021028160226.GA25688@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 9 Hey Otto, are you still on good terms with Austria? I'm currently trying to patch up with him, at least until England gets beatin down a bit; in any case, I was going to suggest getting his support back into Warsaw. My ulterior motive in suggesting this is that in a year or so (once I've confirmed that Austria isn't going to hit me from the south) I'll be moving north on Russia, which would be easier if Russia had a more minimal existence. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 11:08:24 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:08:24 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021028160824.GB25688@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 35 Lines: 3 I'll see what I can do. --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Oct 28 11:11:16 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:11:16 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021028161116.GC25688@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 9 I'm going to suggest you retreat your fleet to Naples. Here's why: as things currently stand, you can't take Tunis by yourself, one fleet against France's one fleet. So there's a stalemate. France is not going to leave Tunis if you're right there. However, if you appear as if you're retreating to protect the homeland or whatever, France might move off to defend hers--and then, a year or so down the line, you can take Tunis. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 13:46:40 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:46:40 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: to turkey from germany Message-ID: <20021028184640.GT953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 748 Lines: 15 > Hmm. At this point, I'm very doubtful that Austria will follow through on > any promise of support for German troops. He's pretty much stabbed me in > the back repeatedly. Fortunately for him, I'm still too pissed at Russia > to care. With no remaining home centers, I'm also not very interested in > impotently delaying the inevitable. Do you want Mos this season? I could > support you in, and maybe Austria could cut War's support. That would spread me a little thin right now, don't you think? If you take out Warsaw now, that would achieve the same effect in the end. As for "impotently delaying the inevitable", well, with all the activity in Eastern Europe, you can be quite the influential force, for a few years yet. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 12:57:54 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SHvrWx007909 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 2530C6910F; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:53 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A36C690CA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SHvro15599 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:53 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 897 Lines: 19 > Hey Otto, are you still on good terms with Austria? I'm currently > trying to patch up with him, at least until England gets beatin down a > bit; in any case, I was going to suggest getting his support back into > Warsaw. My ulterior motive in suggesting this is that in a year or so > (once I've confirmed that Austria isn't going to hit me from the south) > I'll be moving north on Russia, which would be easier if Russia had a > more minimal existence. Hmm. At this point, I'm very doubtful that Austria will follow through on any promise of support for German troops. He's pretty much stabbed me in the back repeatedly. Fortunately for him, I'm still too pissed at Russia to care. With no remaining home centers, I'm also not very interested in impotently delaying the inevitable. Do you want Mos this season? I could support you in, and maybe Austria could cut War's support. From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 13:54:21 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:54:21 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021028185421.GU953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 20 > > Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible. I > > would, however, be interested in Greece. Once I have Greece, I would be > > willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers. > > And what are you offering in exchange for Greece? What benefit do > I derive from simply handing you Greece this season? My promise to stop there? Seriously, I just can't leave my borders like this if I'm going to be turning north. Even if I deeply trusted you, I'd be constantly worried about a backstab. If you want me to turn north, plow through Russia and start working on England, you're going to have to let me shore up my home defenses first. Basically, I'm just saying, don't use Serbia to support Greece (or to attack me, of course). The Greek fleet can move out or not, I don't care--I assume you'll be disbanding it if you're serious about moving north against England, so just leaving it there so you can disband it in the retreat phase is fine with me. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 11:16:18 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SGGIWx004689 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 19F0669101; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:16:18 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F04F690FB for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:16:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SGGIx12985 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:16:18 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:16:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 368 Lines: 14 > Italy is completely unuseful to me--too far away, too indefensible. I > would, however, be interested in Greece. Once I have Greece, I would be > willing to consider acquisition of more northerly supply centers. And what are you offering in exchange for Greece? What benefit do I derive from simply handing you Greece this season? The Dual Monarch From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 14:11:50 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:11:50 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: to turkey from england Message-ID: <20021028191150.GV953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1880 Lines: 38 > Do you still want help moving Sevestapol north, or will you need it to > help defend Rumania?=A0 For the time being I have a pleasant credibility > with the Russian, and I don't want to tip him that I will help you > against him unless it's going to finish Russia as a force.=A0 (Yes he'll > hold Warsaw, but that doesn't threaten me).=A0 This is very frustrating--with Germany right there and Austria right behind him, I'm having a hard time deciding whether to extend myself northward. I think if I could convince myself that Germany would attack Warsaw (I'm working on it), then I'd go for Moscow now (and retake Rumania *again* later), but it's still a pretty dodgy proposition. Talk about loose cannons. Oh well, for now, I'd say no, keep supporting Russia. > Believe it or not, France just wrote trying to dissuade me from my > current course of action.=A0 I'm dying to hear what they propose I do > instead.=A0 If Italy wasn't such a uselessm pustulant little sore, France > would be doomed right now.=A0 Ah well.=A0 Try to get a strong Mediteranean > presence as quickly as you can so that you can press the Austrian and > Italian where they're worst defended.=A0 I'm working on taking Greece right now, and unless Austria is very clever and willing to devote all his resources toward thwarting that goal, I should be able to get it. Hopefully I will then be able to occupy the keystone of the Mediterranean--the Ionian Sea--and move on from there. We'll see. > For my part, I have to stage a guessing game in Northern Germany and > hope that I've counted right.=A0 I think I know what I want to do, I'm ju= st > waiting to see if France tips their hand about their short term > intentions or not. I don't know about their short term intentions, but France and Austria both have been shrilly trying to gather me into an alliance against you. As if. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 11:54:44 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SGsiWx005826 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7916F69106; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:54:43 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C73569105 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:54:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SGsho24829 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:54:43 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:54:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 32 Sultan,    Do you still want help moving Sevestapol north, or will you need it to help defend Rumania?  For the time being I have a pleasant credibility with the Russian, and I don't want to tip him that I will help you against him unless it's going to finish Russia as a force.  (Yes he'll hold Warsaw, but that doesn't threaten me).     I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to try to do a double support round to hold the ground he has this season, in which case my support would be useless anyway.  Unless you know what Germany is going to do.  Anyway, my support is still yours for the asking, but I do need confirmation if you're going to use it.    Believe it or not, France just wrote trying to dissuade me from my current course of action.  I'm dying to hear what they propose I do instead.  If Italy wasn't such a uselessm pustulant little sore, France would be doomed right now.  Ah well.  Try to get a strong Mediteranean presence as quickly as you can so that you can press the Austrian and Italian where they're worst defended.     For my part, I have to stage a guessing game in Northern Germany and hope that I've counted right.  I think I know what I want to do, I'm just waiting to see if France tips their hand about their short term intentions or not. Edward VII From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 11:15:58 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SGFwWx004677 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 0B344690F3; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:15:58 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001B0690CA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:15:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SGFw412936 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:15:58 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:15:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: dip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 723 Lines: 16 For some reason your overblown sig (--TGSotOE) reminded me of Suleyman's signature...which was quite a bit more overblown: I who am the Sultan of Sultans, the Sovereign of Sovereigns, the distributor of crowns to the monarchs of the globe, the Shadow of God upon the Earth, the Sultan and Padishah of the White Sea, the Black Sea, Rumelia, Anatolia, Karamania, Rum, Dulkadir, Diyarbekir, Kurdistan, Azerbayjan, Persia, Damascus, Aleppo, Cairo, Mekka, Medina, Jerusalem, all Arabia, Yemen and those other countries which my noble ancestors - may God brighten their tombs! - conquered and my august majesty has likewise conquered with my flaming sword, Sultan Suleyman Khan, son of Sultan Selim, son of Sultan Bayezid. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Oct 24 15:02:19 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9OJ2IWx028674 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 1F59F6910E; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:02:18 -0500 (CDT) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134686910C for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:02:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OJ2HH23165 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:02:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:02:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from france Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 12 > Nice maneuvering down in the Mediterranean--things are about wrapped up > for the Italian, it looks like. We should talk soon about how to carve > up Austria. That may prove difficult with England taking half of my supply centers. France From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 03:18:16 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:18:16 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029081816.GD29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1567 Lines: 33 I've been thinking over your proposals. I'm in a frustrating position, because I really feel that my position is substantially weaker without Greece, but I really would like England to not be quite so powerful. You rightly point out that my Albanian army is a problem. However, note that none of my units threatens either Serbia or Budapest, and consider the following move sequence: A Ser -> Alb A Bud -> Ser F Gre S A Ser -> Alb Assuming for a moment that I don't break the support, this dislodges my army and allows me to disband it, while still letting you keep the Serbian supply center. This is considerably less risky to you than the convoy solution you suggested. Now, for the disposition of Greece. Looking at the map, I suppose I can concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable. I'd actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again, if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter. And finally, what to do in the north? It would actually be nice if, rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and agreed to support him into Warsaw. If we knock off Germany and leave two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get through. But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could drive through that like a hot knife through butter. So, to sum up: I'll let you keep Greece, and am amenable to disbanding the army in Albania; I'll reorient northward; and I'd like you to support Germany into Warsaw. Let me know how all of this strikes you. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 03:22:17 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:22:17 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029082217.GE29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 23 > I think there may be a lever we can use. France > has been trying to sweet talk me into reconciliation. > (Presumably so he can get into better position). What > if you leak to Austria that I was being tempted by a > French proposal to stab Austria in Munich. You could > imply that I was trying to strongarm you into helping > me into Moscow to not go back with France. Imply you > don't want to be the only one without a dance partner, > and request something from Austria in exchange for > setting me up to fail in Moscow. I don't think you understand how fervent France is being about this. I don't think that Austria would believe France capable of colluding with you for a backstab on him--I'm not sure I'd believe it, at this point. The corrolary is that France's sweet talking is certainly nothing more nor less than buying time. By the way, my negotiations with the German are somewhat promising, and if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move on Moscow. I'll let you know as soon as I find out for sure. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 17:28:48 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SMSlWx016665 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id A44ED6910C; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:28:47 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10EE690FC for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:28:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SMSl914097 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:28:47 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:28:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2515 Lines: 46 > My promise to stop there? Seriously, I just can't leave my borders like > this if I'm going to be turning north. Even if I deeply trusted you, > I'd be constantly worried about a backstab. If you want me to turn > north, plow through Russia and start working on England, you're going to > have to let me shore up my home defenses first. Trust has to work both ways, and I have to be able to defend my borders, too, you know, particularly if I'm going to also be able to work northwards against England. You are not going to be able to defeat him yourself, and I don't think France is going to be a worthwhile ally for either one of us for much longer. > Basically, I'm just saying, don't use Serbia to support Greece (or to > attack me, of course). The Greek fleet can move out or not, I don't > care--I assume you'll be disbanding it if you're serious about moving > north against England, so just leaving it there so you can disband it in > the retreat phase is fine with me. Except that I also have an Italian problem to worry about that you don't have to deal with, or at least that you insist that you have no desire to deal with, and I need that fleet in order to address it. Neither can I afford to disband anything else if I'm going to press towards England and maintain my home defenses. We have already de facto exchanged Serbia for Rumania. There are two primary problems as I see it: your army in Albania and your surplus of fleets. I am willing to support Sev into the Ukraine so that you can convoy Constantinople in there behind him next year. In order to do this, you need a fleet in the Black Sea, and the only one that can get there is Rumania. Thus, I envision two workable possibilities. One involves you moving Rumania into the Black Sea and Albania into Serbia, while I move Serbia into Rumania. Then neither of us loses production. Next year we trade back, which puts you in a position to focus that army northwards. Alternatively, you pledge not to move on Greece, I move the Greece fleet into the Ionian, and we convoy the Albanian army back to the Asia Minor province of your choice next spring. I am, you can understand, uncomfortable with this idea since your ability to backstab me without much effort is very large. Or, we can continue to fight amongst ourselves and let England win the game. We are now perfectly arranged that the best we can hope for is perpetual standstill. I would not exactly call that ideal. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Oct 28 18:00:22 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9SN07Wx018114 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 853886916F; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:00:06 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DAA69168 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:00:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SN06M26240 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:00:06 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:00:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from England Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1002 Lines: 30 Sultan, I think there may be a lever we can use. France has been trying to sweet talk me into reconciliation. (Presumably so he can get into better position). What if you leak to Austria that I was being tempted by a French proposal to stab Austria in Munich. You could imply that I was trying to strongarm you into helping me into Moscow to not go back with France. Imply you don't want to be the only one without a dance partner, and request something from Austria in exchange for setting me up to fail in Moscow. If they go for it there are two possiblities. 1- Austria will believe that France is trying to get back in bed with me and will be too cautious on the northern front. 2- You might get a useful concession out of Austria, perhaps you can even think of a way to get him to cut Russian support. I don't know. If you don't want to do this, that's fine. I have enough force to pin France's ears back eventually. But anything that costs them momentum helps us. Edward VII From dpb Tue Oct 29 03:25:23 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:25:23 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1904, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021029082523.GF29424@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 244 Lines: 14 A Sev -> Mos F Aeg -> EMed F Bul -> Aeg A Con -> Bul F Rum S A Con -> Bul A Alb -> Ser -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is prohibited there? From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:24:07 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:24:07 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029212407.GR29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1559 Lines: 37 > > A Ser -> Alb > > A Bud -> Ser > > F Gre S A Ser -> Alb > > This plan is amenable to me. Ok, good. > > Now, for the disposition of Greece. Looking at the map, I suppose I can > > concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable. I'd > > actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again, > > if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter. > > I understand your concern, and while I intend to turn my armies > north, I reiterate that Italy also needs to be dealt with in some > fashion. Thus I would ask that next spring you allow the Greek fleet to > move through the Ionian. Hm, argh. Yes, I suppose. > > And finally, what to do in the north? It would actually be nice if, > > rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and > > agreed to support him into Warsaw. If we knock off Germany and leave > > two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get > > through. But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could > > drive through that like a hot knife through butter. > > I have sent a missive to the Kaiser. I will let you know when I > have his response. I presume that to aid the German effort you will be > striking at Moscow from Sevastopol? If you guys are doing this, yes. I'm currently at peace--well, not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw). Russia has just enough oomph left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:14:44 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9TLEhWx017882 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id A5FD66916E; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:14:43 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A281269139 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:14:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TLEhX04758 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:14:43 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:14:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2323 Lines: 57 > I've been thinking over your proposals. I'm in a frustrating position, > because I really feel that my position is substantially weaker without > Greece, but I really would like England to not be quite so powerful. Agreed, but unfortunately I am in the same tactical position with the added headache of a flighty Italy to deal with. Particularly now that France is being forced to pull back. > You rightly point out that my Albanian army is a problem. However, note > that none of my units threatens either Serbia or Budapest, and consider > the following move sequence: > A Ser -> Alb > A Bud -> Ser > F Gre S A Ser -> Alb > Assuming for a moment that I don't break the support, this dislodges my > army and allows me to disband it, while still letting you keep the > Serbian supply center. This is considerably less risky to you than the > convoy solution you suggested. This plan is amenable to me. > Now, for the disposition of Greece. Looking at the map, I suppose I can > concede that a Greece-less front is still relatively manageable. I'd > actually rather you didn't move into the Ionian, if that's okay--again, > if you're turning north, that shouldn't matter. I understand your concern, and while I intend to turn my armies north, I reiterate that Italy also needs to be dealt with in some fashion. Thus I would ask that next spring you allow the Greek fleet to move through the Ionian. > And finally, what to do in the north? It would actually be nice if, > rather than supporting me into the Ukraine, you contacted Germany and > agreed to support him into Warsaw. If we knock off Germany and leave > two Russian units, they'll support each other and be a pain to get > through. But a Russia and a Germany with a single unit each, we could > drive through that like a hot knife through butter. I have sent a missive to the Kaiser. I will let you know when I have his response. I presume that to aid the German effort you will be striking at Moscow from Sevastopol? > So, to sum up: I'll let you keep Greece, and am amenable to disbanding > the army in Albania; I'll reorient northward; and I'd like you to > support Germany into Warsaw. Let me know how all of this strikes you. This all strikes me as a very good plan. The Dual Monarch From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:35:47 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:35:47 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029213547.GU29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 12 Austria said to me: > The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive. > Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be: > > GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw > AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw > TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow I'm glad you agreed to the plan. Thanks. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:37:56 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:37:56 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029213756.GV29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 741 Lines: 21 > > If you guys are doing this, yes. I'm currently at peace--well, > > not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help > > something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw). Russia has just enough oomph > > left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be. > > The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive. > Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be: > > GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw > AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw > TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow Excellent. > Once this is accomplished, Russia is yours. It is too bad you have so > many fleets. I'll manage. In a year or two I'll take Moscow for real, and that will give me another. I'll be fine. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:31:26 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9TLVQWx018288 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 96FE56915E; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A10C69109 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TLVPc12324 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 611 Lines: 22 > If you guys are doing this, yes. I'm currently at peace--well, > not-war--with Russia, and so I'd like to only attack him if it will help > something (i.e. let Germany take Warsaw). Russia has just enough oomph > left to be really irritating to me if he wants to be. The Kaiser has agreed to the plan. He is eager to survive. Thus, the set of moves to coordinate this should be: GERMAN A Ukraine->Warsaw AUSTRIAN A Galacia S (GERMAN) A Ukraine->Warsaw TURKISH A Sevastopol->Moscow Once this is accomplished, Russia is yours. It is too bad you have so many fleets. The Dual Monarch From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:38:39 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:38:39 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021029213839.GW29424@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 19 > Alright. I haven't been able to see the drama my > actions have put into motion. I wish once more that > the Italian leader were a real player and not some > sort of gibbering ape-beast. Ugh, yes. There's one in every continental war. *sigh* > > By the way, my negotiations with the German are > > somewhat promising, and > > if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move > > on Moscow. I'll > > Excellent. I'd be willing to keep him around for a > while. Ok, I just heard back; we're on. My Sevastopol army will invade Moscow this season. Thank you for your support. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 11:11:22 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9TGBLWx007873 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5F51E69124; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:11:21 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535B769123 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:11:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TGBLB01778 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:11:21 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:11:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 421 Lines: 19 Sultan, Alright. I haven't been able to see the drama my actions have put into motion. I wish once more that the Italian leader were a real player and not some sort of gibbering ape-beast. > By the way, my negotiations with the German are > somewhat promising, and > if I can get him to hit Warsaw, then I'll try a move > on Moscow. I'll Excellent. I'd be willing to keep him around for a while. Edward VII From dpb Tue Oct 29 16:43:18 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:43:18 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Re: Fall 1904, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021029214318.GX29424@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021029082523.GF29424@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021029082523.GF29424@cs.brown.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 17 Quoth Don Blaheta: > A Sev -> Mos > > F Aeg -> EMed > F Bul -> Aeg > A Con -> Bul > F Rum S A Con -> Bul > > A Alb -> Ser Ok, these moves (same as I submitted before) are now FINAL. We'll see how this goes. Either I just masterminded the elimination of Russia, or else I just set myself up to lose my entire northern front. :) -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got. From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Oct 29 16:49:49 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9TLnmWx018768 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5299A6915E; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:48 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A369109 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TLnmn21539 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:48 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from Germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 75 Lines: 11 > I'm glad you agreed to the plan. Thanks. The pleasure is mine. From dpb Wed Oct 30 12:50:10 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:50:10 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1904, Turkey builds Message-ID: <20021030175010.GO7966@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 7 YESSS!!! I build two armies, one each in Constantinople and Ankara. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- If life is like a stage, I want better lighting. From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Oct 30 13:18:32 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:18:32 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021030181832.GP7966@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 13 > Toward this end, I make hereby a blanket offer of German assistance to > either of you, either in defense or in attacking England, whenever such > opportunities arise. But I cannot, will not, aid either of you in > attacking the other. You may stand to gain by such maneuvers in the short > term, but every time one of you orders troops to attack the other, it is > another step toward long-term victory for England. Thank you for the offer. At this time, I think this year is to be one of behind-the-lines troop movement; I am not planning to attack Austria. However, it will take at least a year to get my units in sufficient force on my northern front. --TGSotOE From dpb Wed Oct 30 13:21:52 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:21:52 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021030182152.GQ7966@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 7 The Sultan has been doing a dance around the palace all day, ever since the news arrived about our successes in Russia. I would like to thank you for your assistance in this regard. Also, condolences on the loss of Kiel, but the setback is obviously only temporary. The Sultan will be in correspondence with you again soon. Kemal Tatbul, War Minister From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Oct 30 12:56:04 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g9UHu3Wx013426 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id B78D46912B; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E269122 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UHu2t11045 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:56:02 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Austria and Turkey, from Germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1735 Lines: 36 Greetings, honored neighbors. First, I would like to thank both of you for benevolently preserving my government for one more season. The annihilation of the Cossack scourge warms my heart. Also, congratulations are due to the Turk, for the seizure of Moscow. Now I must turn to the most pressing issue facing Europe at this time. Gentlemen, when you have a chance, retire to your war rooms and observe your maps. England is stretched across the entire northern third of Europe like a tilted broad-brimmed derby. Who shall resist him? Italy and myself are emasculated and useless. France may be able to defend himself, but will probably not see much expansion. No. This task falls to the Sultan and the Dual Monarch. I understand that the Turk has seen fit to make at least limited arrangements to co-operate with England, to his benefit thus far. I cannot fault him for this, as long as this is a temporary arrangement only. Know this: if Austria and Turkey continue to clash with one another, then all of Europe may as well just get used to the idea of living under the heel of British occupation. The only way this conflict will end otherwise is if the two of you are able to set aside your differences, demilitarize your border, and co-operate in the westward and northward expansion of your alliance. Toward this end, I make hereby a blanket offer of German assistance to either of you, either in defense or in attacking England, whenever such opportunities arise. But I cannot, will not, aid either of you in attacking the other. You may stand to gain by such maneuvers in the short term, but every time one of you orders troops to attack the other, it is another step toward long-term victory for England. From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 1 17:10:01 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:10:01 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021101221001.GG953@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1166 Lines: 30 > We are curious as to how Germany received the > support he did into Warsaw. It was an excellent > diplomatic coup on his part, but does it figure into a > larger Austrian strategy? Not to my knowledge--I suggested it to both Germany and Austria, who knew that I would be attacking Moscow and therefore making the attack possible. (They didn't know that I would take Moscow, of course, or I would have worried about a backstabbing army in Sevastopol!) It sounds like you have things well in hand. I am a little bit more shaky, but I'm confident that I can consolidate my position and start sweeping westward. > I forsee a Europe divided between us. I would hold > France, Germany and Northern Russia. You would have > southers Russia, Italy, Austria. It's an ambitious > long range plan, but entirely doable, I should think. Sounds like a plan. > We're planning on leaving our Army in St. Petes for > the forseeable future, assuming that this doesn't > bother you. If you wish support to hold, we'll offer > it. I would love to have hold support, but to be honest, I don't actually foresee Germany attacking me. Still, it can't hurt. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 1 11:45:50 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA1GjnWx019002 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 4CE6669178; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:45:48 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CB469150 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:45:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1Gjmm11347 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:45:48 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:45:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2559 Lines: 62 Dear Mr. Tatbul, We of the House of Lords are quite happy that your campaign this season was such a success. Of course we want to congratulate your military on it's fine efforts. While there is little need of immediate coordination between our nations this season, we just wanted to send you our best. (And after discussions with your Ambassador we learned it would probably be considered an act of war to send you a fine selection of British cuisine, so we've refrained from sending a gift-basket) We are curious as to how Germany received the support he did into Warsaw. It was an excellent diplomatic coup on his part, but does it figure into a larger Austrian strategy? Kiel was an unfortunate miscalculation. We assumed that France would be in such haste to capture supply centers in the south or to defend it's northern coast, that we could count Burgundy out of our force calculations. We don't intend to make another mistake this campaign. Once again, we'd like to urge you, once you've secured Greece, to put pressure on the Italians, possibly taking away their Mediteranean holdings. The buffer of Italy which kept France so small in the early game, is also keeping Austria and France from having to panick. (Although with your rapid growth Austria is a bit more nervous now) We're confident of securing Germany this year. Once that's locked down, we're hoping we'll have the resources to squeeze the French homelands. I expect that you'll be able to do well enough in the Balkans and Greece that Austria won't be able to flank me in Germany. If we are able to press our separate campaigns efficiently and without major setbacks, I forsee a Europe divided between us. I would hold France, Germany and Northern Russia. You would have southers Russia, Italy, Austria. It's an ambitious long range plan, but entirely doable, I should think. We're planning on leaving our Army in St. Petes for the forseeable future, assuming that this doesn't bother you. If you wish support to hold, we'll offer it. We wont plan on moving any more troops into Russian territories. (Unless the diplomatic situation changes drastically, of course) You'll eventually need to deal with the German remnant, I imagine, but for now, with noone able to or incentivized to move against anyone else, England is very happy with the military positions in Northern and Central Russia. If you need any furthur military support which we could readily give, just ask. England is not stingy in its support of its friends. Stay in touch. From dpb Fri Nov 1 17:28:25 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:28:25 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1905, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021101222825.GH953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 17 Yikes! With all the Halloween craziness I almost forgot about this. Thank goodness England sent me press. A Mos S A StP A Ank -> Arm F Rum -> BLA A Bul -> Rum A Con -> Bul F AEG S A Con -> Bul F EMED S F AEG -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- In a Podiatrist's window: "Time wounds all heels." From dpb Fri Nov 1 17:33:54 2002 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:33:54 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021101223354.GI953@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 12 I thought I'd send an explanation of what's happening between me and England. Essentially, until I can get myself into a position to stab him, there's no point in tipping my hand and letting him know I'm against him--this past season he actually supported me in my bid to bump up against the borders of his empire! Once I can get a second unit up that way (next year), I'll be all set to take him down a peg. Fortunately, however swift his takeover of France, it will not be instantaneous, and I will have time to maneuver into position. --TGSotOE (PS: best of luck on the ensuing guessing game with Italy.) From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 5 11:34:41 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA5GYeWx010179 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 60628691F5; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:40 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5462E691E1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5GYeP30651 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:40 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 13 Grand Sultan, Now that you have your armies, what are your plans in the north? Specifically, how much do you trust your current truce with England? I was thinking that you could support me into Warsaw this season, since leaving Moscow would open it up for England to claim it. We can then begin shifting forces northwards in earnest to face the English menace. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 5 12:33:35 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA5HXZWx011797 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id CFBE769227; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:34 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B106912B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5HXYn14044 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:34 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 17 To Turkey from Austria Your strategy regarding England certainly makes a lot of sense. As we demilitarize the Balkans, your offensive against him will certainly become easier. Please do not hesitate to request any assistance I can offer. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 5 12:51:14 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA5HpDWx012128 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 490A16923E; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE7A6923D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5HpD021558 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 11 Grand Sultan, You never responded to my request regarding Warsaw. What do you propose we do about the lone German army sitting there? The Dual Monarch From dpb Tue Nov 5 14:34:30 2002 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:34:30 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Deadline? Message-ID: <20021105193430.GB23315@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 15 /* Written 8:04 am Nov 5, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ The game got delayed while I went out of town for the weekend. I'm not going to have moves ready until tonight, so the deadline for moves is pushed back to 9pm Central tonight. /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ These are the moves that were originally due last Friday, right? And that I've already submitted? Has anyone actually not submitted them yet? -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- I have two personalities. One is paranoid, and the other is out to get him. --Steven Wright From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 5 14:51:02 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA5Jp0Wx015138 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D88369179 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5JoxB27947 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:59 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:50:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Deadline? In-Reply-To: <20021105193430.GB23315@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 18 Yes, yes. Same season. On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > /* Written 8:04 am Nov 5, 2002 by neilk in =alt.jarf */ > The game got delayed while I went out of town for the weekend. > > I'm not going to have moves ready until tonight, so the deadline for moves > is pushed back to 9pm Central tonight. > /* End of text from =alt.jarf */ > > These are the moves that were originally due last Friday, right? And > that I've already submitted? Has anyone actually not submitted them > yet? > > From dpb Thu Nov 7 15:00:05 2002 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:00:05 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Turkey to Italy Message-ID: <20021107200005.GE23315@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 6 I see that your last stand against the Franco-Austrian alliance has fallen; my condolences. I wish I could help you make a comeback, but I fear I am too far away. I may be able to help you get revenge, though--would you be interested? --TGSotOE From dpb Thu Nov 7 15:02:53 2002 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:02:53 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Germany from Turkey Message-ID: <20021107200253.GF23315@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 99 Lines: 4 I don't see much I can help you with right now, but I thought I'd check in. Any ideas? --TGSotOE From dpb Thu Nov 7 15:10:56 2002 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:10:56 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1905, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021107201056.GG23315@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 13 A Arm -> Sev A Mos S A War A Rum S A Arm -> Sev F BLA S A Rum A Bul -> Gre F AEG S A Bul -> Gre F EMED -> ION -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Nov 7 15:13:28 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA7KDRWx020710 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D913069181; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:10:35 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD5769179 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:10:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA7KAZ319921 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:10:35 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:10:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Germany Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 9 > I don't see much I can help you with right now, but I thought I'd check > in. Any ideas? I'm OK for the time being. Thanks for not supporting Austria against me. I have to assume that's why he gave that order; I can't really provide any support worth cutting to anyone right now. From dwarf@imsa.edu Thu Nov 7 23:35:10 2002 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:35:10 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021108043510.GA13773@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 111 Lines: 5 > Tell me what you want me to do. Support my fleet from the Eastern Mediterranean into the Ionian. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Nov 7 19:12:46 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA80CkWx027405 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 10A5669210; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:12:46 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051E1690CA for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:12:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA80CjF11183 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:12:45 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:12:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 37 Lines: 6 Tell me what you want me to do. From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 8 09:45:58 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA8EjvWx012734 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7AEB8690EB; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:57 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F521690CA for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ejvk11383 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:57 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 12 Lines: 7 Okay. From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 8 21:30:17 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gA92UHWx000297 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 0C735691A4; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:30:17 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E9B691A2 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:30:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA92UHn08610 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:30:17 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:30:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 12 Grand Sultan, I am concerned that you have made no further response regarding Warsaw, and that instead of responding you are continuing your alliance with England. Even if your response is a rejection of the proposal, some response would be appreciated. The Dual Monarch From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 11 19:22:45 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAC0MjWx012454 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 3150B691C7; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:22:45 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2463F69140 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:22:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAC0Mjt16848 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:22:45 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:22:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: build? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 39 Lines: 3 Still waiting on a build from you... From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Nov 11 20:01:00 2002 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:01:00 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: build? Message-ID: <20021112010100.GB10052@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 13 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > > Still waiting on a build from you... > Sorry; I wanted to wait until I saw Austria's retreats, then I got mad busy. I'll build an army in Constantinople. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "My only complaint about having a father in fashion is that every time I'm about to go to bed with a guy I have to look at my dad's name all over his underwear." --Marci Klein From dpb Wed Nov 13 03:24:04 2002 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:24:04 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1906, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021113082404.GH18791@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 19 F ION -> Tun F AEG -> ION A Con -> Bul A Gre S A Con -> Bul A Rum S A Con -> Bul F BLA S A Rum A Mos -> Lvn A Sev -> Mos -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." --Abraham Lincoln From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 15 10:18:52 2002 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:18:52 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021115151852.GA4222@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 8 > Grand Sultan, > Your fleet is poised to strike at French holdings in North Africa. > We would like to point out that any move that weakens France only serves > to strengthen England. Taken under advisement. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Nov 14 09:02:06 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAEE26UL004772 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 22F7F691FD; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:02:06 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181A1691C3 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:02:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAEE25U02147 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:02:05 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:02:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 198 Lines: 11 Grand Sultan, Your fleet is poised to strike at French holdings in North Africa. We would like to point out that any move that weakens France only serves to strengthen England. France From dpb Fri Nov 15 10:23:00 2002 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:23:00 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021115152300.GB4222@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 5 Your concerns are noted, and I can assure you that I am happy with the arrangement in the central Mediterranean, and have no problems with you "rattling France's cage", as you so quaintly put it. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Nov 13 10:22:57 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gADFMvWx023875 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id D217E69101; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:22:56 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44B0690F9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:22:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADFMuD31036 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:22:56 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:22:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 848 Lines: 20 It's simply a race between you and England to get to the requisite number of supply centers now. England's winning, but there's no reason you can't catch him in time. That being said, I have no objection to your taking Tunis from France. Obviously, there's nothing I can do about it now. But I wanted you to know that even if you take it in 1906 and leave it alone to concentrate on Austria, I will not attempt to take it from you, and would even be willing (for appropriate assurances) to defend it for you. My motivation here is threefold. First, I don't want you distracted from taking Austria off my flank. Second, I don't mind seeing France taken down a supply center. Finally, once you get done eating Austria, I'd prefer that you know there's no reason to turn on Italy. That being said, please let me know how I can be of help. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Nov 13 12:55:34 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gADHtQAl006395 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id F3B8569126; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:08 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B4069125 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADHT9H02893 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:09 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 636 Lines: 17 Just "closing the loop": I just sent a note to France, basically rubbing his nose in the fact that, back in mid-October, he gave me "two years" to live if I didn't stop attacking Marseilles. Permit me these little displays of hubris... Of more interest to you, I also sent a note to Austria, declaring my generally non-hostile intentions towards him. If I'm going to rattle France's cage, I'd prefer not to have Austria angry at me as well. I tell you this because I don't want Austria using this communication (or some modified form thereof) to give you any thoughts that I'm considering an alliance with Austria against you. From dpb Fri Nov 15 10:26:35 2002 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:26:35 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021115152635.GC4222@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 6 You certainly do impressive work. We were wondering: about how many years do you estimate that it will take for you to finish off France? Obviously slightly longer than otherwise due to the army/fleet situation, but still not very long, I think. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 15 10:46:23 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAFFkMUL009391 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 7DEB6690FB; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:22 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719C1690EB for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFFkMe28197 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:22 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 25 Sultan,      It's hard to say.  Everything depends on the actions of others.  I appreciate your praise, although coming from such a successful conqueror as yourself, it's hard to take seriously.  I may have more now, but you've come farther, since Austria's near succesful stab, than I think anyone expected.  France is nattering away at me with requests for his own survival, but no concrete proposals.  What should I tell him, "I have no objection to you surviving.  I see you having a role similar to that of Germany in Europe's future, as an exiled vassal army?"  Of course not.  Regardless, things are going well for both of us.  I am increasingly looking forward to the day when we meet in the middle. England P.M. Gascoyne-Cecil 3rd Marquess of Salisbury England From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 15 11:13:37 2002 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:13:37 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021115161337.GD4222@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 7 > I guess the question is, is your unit in the Ionian to pick up the free > supply center in Tunis, or do you have plans to encircle Austria in the > Adriatic? I do not have plans to move into the Adriatic. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 15 11:05:30 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAFG5UUL010026 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 21BA36910A; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:05:30 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1672F690FE for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:05:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFG5T432294 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:05:29 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:05:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 421 Lines: 14 To Turkey from Italy I guess the question is, is your unit in the Ionian to pick up the free supply center in Tunis, or do you have plans to encircle Austria in the Adriatic? Obviously, there's nothing I can do about either course, but I'd prefer if you'd just scoop up Tunis and be done with it. I'm engaged in a two-front Sitzkrieg right now, and I'd prefer not to have a third party with a unit outside Venice. From dpb Sun Nov 17 17:10:56 2002 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:10:56 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Dip? Message-ID: <20021117221056.GA19750@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 7 Someone get their orders in late again? -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Commitment, n.: Commitment can be illustrated by a breakfast of ham and eggs. The chicken was involved, the pig was committed. From neilk@imsa.edu Sun Nov 17 20:25:17 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAI1PHUL011259 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2E690FD for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:25:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAI1PGJ02705 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:25:16 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:25:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: Dip? In-Reply-To: <20021117221056.GA19750@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 9 Eh, I'm being lazy. Actually, I'm working on them now... On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Someone get their orders in late again? > > From dpb Mon Nov 18 01:21:08 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:21:08 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021118062108.GA22620@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 8 Don't take this the wrong way, but I was getting a little bit itchy about your progress in acquiring supply centers; as of this year you have 13 and I have 8. As such, I had planned to borrow StP for a year just to keep things more even; but it looks like France put up more of a defense than I expected in the west. Thus, I'll be moving on Warsaw instead. Sorry for the difficulty, and good luck against France. -TGSotOE From dpb Mon Nov 18 01:30:02 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:30:02 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021118063002.GB22620@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 56 Lines: 3 Hey. What's up with the move on the Ionian? --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Nov 18 01:42:53 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:42:53 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1906, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021118064253.GC22620@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 19 A Lvn -> War A Mos S A Lvn -> War F Tun -> ION F AEG -> Gre A Gre -> Ser A Bul S A Gre -> Ser A Rum S A Gre -> Ser F BLA S A Rum These moves are by no means final yet. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "he couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag if his life depended on it." "who would code their way out of a paper bag? anyone who does that needs to learn some problem solving skills." --anonymous rumours From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 18 09:06:06 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAIE65UL024464 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id B4F0D69133; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:06:05 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96BE690F7 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:06:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIE65u21079 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:06:05 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:06:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 16 Sorry about the bounce in Ionian. You can see why I did it, I hope: I needed to make sure that your fleet in Tunis wasn't followed by another fleet... Two Turkish pieces in Western or Central Med starts to look like an offensive on Italy... That being said... Obviously, you have to hold Tunis this year to keep the supply center. Would you mind supporting my fleet into Tyrrhenian? Also, I'd appreciate it if you not move into Ionian this year... Let me know your thoughts. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 18 09:18:20 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAIEIKUL024784 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5821569133; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:20 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1A1690F7 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIEIKP23728 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:20 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1151 Lines: 27 To Turkey from Italy Apparently, our notes crossed in the mail. I'll go back through the correspondences, but I thought I made it clear that I didn't want a massive Turkish influx into Central/Western Med. If I'm wrong, I apologize, and I'll say it now: I don't want a massive Turkish influx into Central/Western Med. Look: I'm committing to respecting your sovereignty over Tunis, even after you leave it. I'll even protect it from France or (down the road) England. That's IN RETURN FOR you focusing the rest of your efforts on Austria, Germany, and purging the Russian territory of foreign (read: "non-Turkish") influence. If you like, you can sit in Tunis for the fall, collect your supply center, and then move the TUNIS unit back to Ionian in the Spring. I realize there's very little I can do, short of allying with Austria, to stop you from doing a supported move into Ionian in the fall. But I'd really like to avoid owing the Austrian a favor, so I don't see myself doing that. That being said, I'd REALLY like you to put off moving into the Ionian until the Spring and, when you do take Ionian, that you do so from Tunis. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 18 15:13:10 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAIKD9UL006484 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 1D87F6912F; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:13:09 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112E46910E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:13:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIKD9131280 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:13:09 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:13:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from france Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1572 Lines: 32 To Turkey from France Grand Sultan, It was with the heaviest of hearts that our officers in Tunis reported the loss of that supply center to your nation. We had hoped that the Turks would prove worthy allies in our fight against the hated English. Perhaps we still can be allies. I make the same offer to you that I made to the dying Austrian. Ally with me, keep Italy's attention away from French centers so that France can concentrate on the British, and France will assist you in taking Italian supply centers when she can afford to spare the troops. A simple calculation of centers in and around Italy, Austria, Russia, and Turkey, without taking into account Tunis equals 17, or one fewer than you will need to win. Once you reach that point, it will be a simple matter for your fleets to take Tunis and win the game. France will surely be no threat to you. However, if France loses Tunis this turn, my ability to stop England from swelling with English, German, and French centers (a total of 16, again without considering Tunis) will dimish rapidly. England already turns her forces eastward. She is making a mistake in splitting her forces so early. She should have finished me first. However, there is life in France yet, so long as Turkey does not take French centers from behind. In short, I ask you to vacate Tunis and leave it in French hands for the forseeable future. My fleet in the area will lend you assistance when it can. We care little beyond survival and the demise of England and Italy. France From dwarf@imsa.edu Wed Nov 20 18:21:58 2002 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:21:58 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: dip Message-ID: <20021120232158.GA11088@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 16 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > Moves are up -- and I need a retreat (and build(s)). Argh! Forgot about this---I meant to change my moves after the correspondence with Italy. Oh well, I guess I'll make out like I meant to do that. :P I'll retreat to Sevastopol. I'll let you know my build once I've thought about it a bit more. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "Patches set upon a little breach Discredit more in hiding of the fault Than did the fault before it was so patched." --Shakespeare, _King John_ From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Nov 20 15:27:19 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAKKREUL029560 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 2210C6917D; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A9A6917B for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAKKREO19473 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:27:14 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: dip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 55 Lines: 3 Moves are up -- and I need a retreat (and build(s)). From dpb Wed Nov 20 18:35:13 2002 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:13 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1906, Turkey build Message-ID: <20021120233513.GA11198@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 5 I build an army in Constantinople. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- The steady state of disks is full. From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 00:50:26 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:50:26 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021122055026.GG19727@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 19 > I am a bit confused at your abandonment of Tunis before you were able to > take credit for the supply center. I had an early set of orders based on you wanting the Ionian, that I forgot to update after your message to me. It's... unfortunate. > My concern here is that you've cut some sort of deal with France, whereby > you let him keep Tunis and put some pressure on my southern flank, in > return for him slowing down England's supply-center count. I'm certainly going to let him think that. > Needless to say, this is annoying. What are your plans for the unit in > the Ionian in the Spring? If you want Tunis, just say so. On the other > hand, if you want Naples, just let me know, and I'll take Tunis. I'll be using the unit in the Ionian to take Tunis. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Nov 21 11:58:25 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gALGwMUL004008 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 254A769112; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:22 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2285F6910F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALGwMk04870 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:22 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 994 Lines: 25 I am a bit confused at your abandonment of Tunis before you were able to take credit for the supply center. My concern here is that you've cut some sort of deal with France, whereby you let him keep Tunis and put some pressure on my southern flank, in return for him slowing down England's supply-center count. Needless to say, this is annoying. What are your plans for the unit in the Ionian in the Spring? If you want Tunis, just say so. On the other hand, if you want Naples, just let me know, and I'll take Tunis. I'd prefer not to quarrel with you over this. You've got a good thing going in Austria and have already opened up a front with England, the only guy who can give you a run for the win. I'm going to use my Venice and Tyrrhenian units to keep you out of Naples, if not in the Spring, then at least to bump you out in the Fall. So in the name of efficiency, we may as well just hash this out, decide who's taking what, and save ourselves two seasons of sparring. From neilk@imsa.edu Thu Nov 21 19:23:30 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAM0NUUL023408 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 56C98691A9; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:23:30 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8EC691A7 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:23:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAM0NUd12123 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:23:30 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:23:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from france Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1207 Lines: 29 Grand Sultan, My thanks for vacating Tunis prior to the Winter season. Alas, that England did not bounce me out of Marseilles so that I could take advantage of the unexpected build. I harbor no illusions that Tunis will remain French territory for much longer, although Italy may yet turn northward and launch an attack on my southern ports. You seem to have things well in hand with the Austrian, although the Isle King appears to me knocking on your door in Poland. I would also urge you to devote any resources that you have to the Italian. It may be that he will abandon his "stagnate at 3 units forever" policy in favor of a "do the reasonable thing" policy; which may include making advances on Trieste in addition to Tunis. You may find it difficult to deal with him if he is successful in this, for he may be able to expand into Iberia with additional forces. Even though I have not heard from you concerning my peace overtures last year, I will assume that we do not work to cross purposes. I will devote any resources that I may have in stunting the expansion of the Italian, however, I fear that mighty France is not long for this world. France From dpb Fri Nov 22 00:57:30 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:57:30 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1907, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021122055730.GH19727@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 16 War -> Gal Mos S Lvn -> StP Sev -> Rum BLA S Sev -> Rum Ser S Sev -> Rum Bul -> Gre Con -> Apu ION C Con -> Apu AEG C Con -> Apu -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- One good turn gets most of the blankets. From dpb Fri Nov 22 01:00:59 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:00:59 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021122060059.GI19727@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 7 Sorry about that whole Livonia business back there--I just panicked, that's all there is to it. I really misplayed that last year; not only did I scare you with that move, I totally misjudged Italy, thinking he'd try for Ionian again (which would have bounced me back into Tunis)... ah well, hindsight 's 20/20, I suppose. --TGSotOE From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 01:07:00 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:07:00 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To France from Turkey Message-ID: <20021122060700.GJ19727@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1367 Lines: 29 > My thanks for vacating Tunis prior to the Winter season. Alas, > that England did not bounce me out of Marseilles so that I could take > advantage of the unexpected build. *sigh* Yes. I had hoped you'd be able to better fend off England, but I neglected to account for your home centers being full. > You seem to have things well in hand with the Austrian, although > the Isle King appears to me knocking on your door in Poland. I would also > urge you to devote any resources that you have to the Italian. It may be > that he will abandon his "stagnate at 3 units forever" policy in favor of > a "do the reasonable thing" policy; which may include making advances on > Trieste in addition to Tunis. You may find it difficult to deal with him > if he is successful in this, for he may be able to expand into Iberia with > additional forces. Hopefully not; we shall see. > Even though I have not heard from you concerning my peace > overtures last year, I will assume that we do not work to cross purposes. > I will devote any resources that I may have in stunting the expansion of > the Italian, however, I fear that mighty France is not long for this > world. I have a delicate arrangement with England right now, but we aren't what I'd call allies. I'll try to lend what support I can without doing anything obvious. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 13:04:02 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAMI41UL021658 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 3BFF36913E; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:01 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C42A69105 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMI40F15856 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:00 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1490 Lines: 36 Okay. I can see that; in fact, going through my old correspondences, I thought that might be the explanation. Again -- do me a favor, and don't move the Aegean fleet into Ionian this year. I have no problem with that Ionian fleet being in Tunis, or Ionian, or Tyrrhenian, or Western Med, or whatever. It's an unsupported privateering unit, as far as I'm concerned, just roaming around, scooping up French supply centers wherever it can get them. With Italy's blessing and -- when necessary -- support. My concern starts when a second fleet gets out there. That's when it becomes an active threat to Italy. Since you've now got territory bordering Ionian as well (Greece), I'm willing to promise to leave Ionian alone as well this year -- for clarity's sake, both Spring and Fall. Anyway, don't take it personally, but I'm going to have to move to protect Naples this season. My present intention is to move as follows: A PIE -> TUS A VEN -> ROM A TYN -> NAP Since -- worst-case scenario (a Turkish stab) -- that would bounce us in Naples this year, and give me a support on a move into Naples next year. If you're moving to Tunis, then I'm simply in the embarrassing position of having no clear offensive objective in the fall. Again -- if you're taking Tunis, please don't follow it with a move Aegean into Ionian. Given my defensive posture in my spring moves, there is NO POSSIBLE chance for short-term gain, and all it'll serve to do is harm our very good relations. From dwarf@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 15:52:29 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:52:29 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey, cc England Message-ID: <20021122205229.GO23315@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 4 > France says you two have an alliance. I want in. We have an agreement. It basically consists of "let's not attack each other this season". There's not really any "in" to want. From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 14:46:11 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAMJkAUL027326 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 2B5EB69117; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:46:10 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203F1690FB for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:46:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMJkAh12609 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:46:10 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:46:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To England and Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1672 Lines: 43 France says you two have an alliance. I want in. -----Original Message----- Subject: To Italy and Austria from France My partners in seemingly eventual elimination: For some time I have been bothered by what appears to be a great deal of posturing between the two largest nations in Europe, Turkey and England. For instead of directly attacking each other in northern Russia and Poland, they have been staring each other down. This made little sense to me. Unfortunately, it has all just become much clearer. Perhaps I am the last person on the board to learn this, but England and Turkey have an arrangement (perhaps not an alliance) at the moment. This was explicitly stated to me by Turkey in a recent communication. Surely this arrangement is designed to last until one or more of us are eliminated. No doubt, England intends to claim France and Turkey will destroy Austria. Italy will only help them if she attacks from her position. I don't know if there is anything that we can do, for combined we are no match for the strength of both their nations. England will soon force her way into the Mid-Atlantic, and all of my strength will be needed to maintain my home supply centers. Alas, Austria's position appears even weaker than my own. Italy has little room to maneuver against anyone but her closest neighbors. Perhaps the only chance we three have is by (a) banding together, and (b) forcing a conflict between Turkey and England. As I said, I'm an unsure that at this stage anything can be done. I am open to any suggestions either of you may have. France From dpb Sun Nov 24 04:09:49 2002 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 04:09:50 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: email me... Message-ID: <20021124090949.GF27844@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 390 Lines: 8 ...whenever you put up the latest round results. I'm flying home today, and while I'll probably check my email at some point I'm likely to forget to check the dip page or the notesfiles. :) -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- unix is an operating system, os/2 is half an operating system, windows is a shell, and dos is a boot partition virus. From dpb@cs.brown.edu Mon Nov 25 02:41:20 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:41:20 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: email me... Message-ID: <20021125074120.GA9923@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021124090949.GF27844@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 608 Lines: 16 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > I hope you have a good flight. Yup, great, aside from getting security-checked (twice!). :P > I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser. I need to know > where you want to retreat those units... Sorry for taking so long. Drat! Damn that English bastard anyway. Umm, I retreat to Ukraine and Budapest, respectively. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "After all, deleting e-mail all day builds up an appetite. And what better way to fill that craving than with a protein-rich square of salty, pink pork." --Wired From neilk@imsa.edu Sun Nov 24 20:27:41 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAP1ReUL001352 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from n1x3.imsa.edu (n1x3.imsa.edu [143.195.1.3]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2ED691CC for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:26:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by n1x3.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D051761745 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAP0Tbu16479 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:37 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: email me... In-Reply-To: <20021124090949.GF27844@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 403 Lines: 16 I hope you have a good flight. I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser. I need to know where you want to retreat those units... Thanks. On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > ...whenever you put up the latest round results. I'm flying home today, > and while I'll probably check my email at some point I'm likely to > forget to check the dip page or the notesfiles. :) > > From dpb@cs.brown.edu Mon Nov 25 15:39:24 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:39:24 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: email me... Message-ID: <20021125203924.GB10511@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021125074120.GA9923@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 12 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > I'll process the first retreat to Ukr. The second one should be Bul, not > Bud, right? I'm not sure the correct rule for writing down an illegal > retreat. Maybe I should make you disband it. Eh, I'm not going to track > down a rulebook -- just confirm that you meant Bulgaria. Thanks. Ack, I've been confusing those two all along, just remembering to check until now! If you'd make it to Bulgaria, that'd be fantastic.... -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- A mathematician is a machine for converting coffee into theorems. From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 25 09:15:52 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAPEFqUL016995 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87F569235 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:15:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAPEFp528859 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:15:51 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:15:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: email me... In-Reply-To: <20021125074120.GA9923@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 953 Lines: 26 I've generally been lucky with the security checks, although I did get hit last time I flew (which was the big trip to Slovenia and Croatia in September). Maybe they thought I was trying to smuggle cigarettes home or something. I'll process the first retreat to Ukr. The second one should be Bul, not Bud, right? I'm not sure the correct rule for writing down an illegal retreat. Maybe I should make you disband it. Eh, I'm not going to track down a rulebook -- just confirm that you meant Bulgaria. Thanks. On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > > I hope you have a good flight. > > Yup, great, aside from getting security-checked (twice!). :P > > > I posted the moves, and you're evicted from War and Ser. I need to know > > where you want to retreat those units... > > Sorry for taking so long. Drat! Damn that English bastard anyway. > Umm, I retreat to Ukraine and Budapest, respectively. > > From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:47:33 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:47:33 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: About the commentary Message-ID: <20021125234733.GB15341@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 10 The commentator is just not paying any attention, is he. He implied that Italian loss of an SC is contingent on an alliance between me and Austria, which it is not, and that Austria and I have been cooperating in the northeast, which we most certainly have not. If anything, we're looking at an AE alliance up there. :P -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- The more we disagree, the more chance there is that at least one of us is right. From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Nov 25 18:49:58 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:49:58 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from France Message-ID: <20021125234958.GC15341@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 141 Lines: 6 > Is there any possibility that Tunis will still be under my control come > this winter? Signs point to "no", but it's possible. --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Nov 25 18:04:02 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAPN41UL005313 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 8FFA769180; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8569869173 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAPN41T31941 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:04:01 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from France Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 100 Lines: 11 Is there any possibility that Tunis will still be under my control come this winter? France From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:51:36 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:51:36 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021125235136.GD15341@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 118 Lines: 4 Ok, what does this mean then? I assume you have some explanation for your support of Austria into Warsaw. --TGSotOE From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:58:22 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:58:22 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1907, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021125235822.GE15341@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 20 ...or I could, you know, look at the map. I now see what the commentator was talking about wrt Italy (he's still smoking something about the situation in the northeast). F ION -> Tun F AEG -> ION A Apu -> Nap A Bul -> Ser A Rum S A Bul -> Ser A Gre S A Bul -> Ser F BLA S A Rum A Ukr -> War A Mos S A Ukr -> War -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. --Arthur C. Clarke From dpb Mon Nov 25 18:59:45 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:59:45 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021125235945.GF15341@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 4 The Americans certainly seem to think that now is the time for us to ally against the English threat. How do you feel about that? --TGSotOE From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 26 09:08:01 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAQE80UL022006 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA60E69117 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAQE7xc09606 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:59 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: About the commentary In-Reply-To: <20021125234733.GB15341@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 14 Yeah, well, he's been locked up for a while so his mind may be getting a little soft. On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > The commentator is just not paying any attention, is he. He implied > that Italian loss of an SC is contingent on an alliance between me and > Austria, which it is not, and that Austria and I have been cooperating > in the northeast, which we most certainly have not. If anything, we're > looking at an AE alliance up there. :P > > From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Nov 26 12:34:05 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAQHY5UL027459 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id AD6846914F; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:34:04 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F8969147 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:34:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAQHY4t06389 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:34:04 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:34:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from austria Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 14 > The Americans certainly seem to think that now is the time for us to > ally against the English threat. How do you feel about that? And what possible reason would I have to trust you at this stage? If you want an alliance against the English, you're going to have to make the first demonstration of good will. I tried to tell you before that you and I would only reach a stalemate, and you stabbed me in the back, anyway. If you want my trust, make an overture. Actions speak louder than words. Both Greece and Venice look inviting. The Dual Monarch From dpb Sat Nov 30 05:33:03 2002 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 05:33:03 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Winter 1907, Turkey builds Message-ID: <20021130103303.GA10346@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 10 Ok, looks like Austria _and_ Italy are going to throw the game to England. Oh well. I build an army in Constantinople and a fleet in Smyrna. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- The years of peak mental activity are undoubtedly between the ages of four and eighteen. At four we know all the questions, at eighteen all the answers. From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Nov 22 16:15:51 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAMLFnUL001272 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 0D2F46916C; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:15:49 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF16913B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:15:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMLFms10046 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:15:48 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:15:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 1386 Lines: 30 Sultan,     That was a costly miscalculation in the south.  I regret that you were not more succesful in robbing France of his SCs, though it wouldn't make a material difference this year.  I was quite a bit shocked at your abrupt northerly mobilization, and did not for a minute believe you when you said that you intended to attack Warsaw.  As a result I ended up taking a guess as to which direction your attack might come in and countered it as best as I was able.  You see the results.  I think if we're going to have peace in northern Russia we both need to scale troops back from the zone.  I will leave a stregth two garison in place to defend St. Petes in case you go on any other surprise maneuvers.  And you can then concentrate your forces on engulfing Austria.     France is going to be tieing me down for far longer than either of us expected.  I'm going to have to flank him well to be able to gain any more SCs, and I'm going to have to force him to continuously occupy his home SCs to have a hope of preventing him getting his pending build.  Good luck against Austria.  But not too much good luck, eh? England ps - I'm not at all sure how to respond to the Italian message.  To deny friendship with your nation would seem treacherous.  To admit it and refuse friendship would undermine my goodwill with others.  Have you decided what you're going to tell him? From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Nov 27 09:19:17 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gAREJHUL028753 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5231669100; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:17 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471CC690CA for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAREJHh04280 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:17 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1388 Lines: 30 Oh, for Pete's sake. Look, I don't know what kind of deal you have with Austria, but why don't you just convoy that Apulian unit to Tunis, take that supply center uncontested, and leave me alone. Seriously. Austria thinks you're going to take Rome or Naples this round, and is going to use its unit in Trieste to cut support (or try to take a supply center) from Venice. That means you'll be able to take Serbia (and Tunis, as mentioned) and pick up two more units. In 1908, you get Budapest and Vienna uncontested (England will have to choose between making a run on Vienna or maintaining a front on Warsaw). That gives you 13 units at the beginning of 1909, and one less neighbor. Better still, you've got a relatively weak Italy basically acting as a buffer in the Mediterranean, boxing out France and (once France falls) England. By 1909, your fleets will own the Mediterranean. You'll basically be able to either pick me off at your will or start convoying units to Marseilles and Iberia for the win (assuming the eastern front holds where it is). You pop me out of the game, and suddenly you've got TWO fronts with the English, a new front with the French, and a whole lot of new variables. For what amounts to one supply center and the headache of wheeling support around to maintain and slowly advance through Italy. It is your call. Just wanted to make my case. From neilk@imsa.edu Wed Nov 27 11:53:13 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gARGrDUL004737 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 26D6C69147; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:13 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6206910F for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARGrDc19134 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:13 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 245 Lines: 13 Sultan,    You violated the spirit of our arrangement when you moved to attack St. Petersburg.  That you withheld the attack does not make your actions less offensive.  I am merely playing the proxy war by the same rules you are. England From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Dec 3 16:46:47 2002 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:46:47 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021203214647.GD2275@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 16 > You violated the spirit of our arrangement when you moved to attack > St. Petersburg. That you withheld the attack does not make your actions > less offensive. I am merely playing the proxy war by the same rules you > are. At least admit what you're doing. You got close enough to make a run for 18 centers, while pushing Austria into position to block my advance. You'll note that I still haven't attacked you, while you have both supported an attack on me and attacked me yourself, outright. That's the way war goes, but I won't have you claiming that you are merely following my lead. I'm still open for a two-way division of the continent, but I have little hope of that left. --TGSotOE From dpb Tue Dec 3 16:57:27 2002 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:57:27 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Spring 1908, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021203215727.GE2275@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 21 A Ukr -> War A Mos S A Ukr -> War A Con -> Sev F BLA C A Con -> Sev F Smy -> AEG F Tun -> TYS A Nap -> Rom A Gre -> Alb F ION S A Gre -> Alb A Rum -> Bud A Ser S A Rum -> Bud -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Thank you for sending me a copy of your book. I'll waste no time reading it. --Moses Hadas From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Dec 3 17:11:58 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gB3MBwUL004562 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id B05C169195; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A499A69138 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3MBvu21343 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:11:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 539 Lines: 17 Turkey,     I am making a run for 18.  I never said I wouldn't try for 18.  You forced me into moving against you by threatening St. Petes.  I didn't get involved in directly supporting Austria until you ended the stalemate in that part of the world.  Yes, we are in all out war now.  This is now.  Then, we were in mutual non-conflict, and you worried me into attacking.  Then is gone, and now we fight.  I said I was willing to take a two way conditional on there being a stalemate against me.  No such stalemate exists.  England From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:38:33 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:38:33 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Fall 1908, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021213223833.GK17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 545 Lines: 23 Assuming none of AIF takes any centres this season, it should end this round anyway, so we might as well play it out. I still have at least a remote chance at a two-way, though, if I can talk any of them into supporting me (or rather, attacking England). A ukr S a sev -> mos a sev -> mos f ion -> tun f tyn -> rom a rom -> ven f aeg -> ion f bla -> con a alb -> tri a rum -> bud a ser s a rum -> bud -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- I may look lazy, but on a cellular level I'm really busy. From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:49:24 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:49:24 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Italy and France, from Turkey Message-ID: <20021213224924.GL17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1106 Lines: 29 As I'm sure you've noticed, we're in the last days now. How it ends is largely up to you. If you want to just give up and throw in the towel, England will finish his sweep through the continent and take the win. If, on the other hand, you two collectively make a stand, you can at least deny him the pleasure of a solo victory, maybe. Certainly you can at least retake Spain and Marseilles between the two of you, possibly Brest or Paris as well if England misplays. Specifically: France: F West S F GoL - Spa A Gas - Mar A Bur - Par Italy: F GoL - Spa A Pie S A Gas - Mar Assuming that England will use his MAt fleet to attack Portugal, this set of moves is guaranteed to give you Spain and Marseilles. By moving Gascony out of the way and having Burgundy attack Paris, there is a possibility that France will take Paris (if England attacks Gascony from there) or hold Brest (if England attacks from there and doesn't move his English Channel fleet into Brest). Or, you can hand England the win. Your call. There's really not much I can do about it. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:55:31 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:55:31 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To Austria from Turkey Message-ID: <20021213225531.GM17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 11 Well, the end is near. How it ends is largely up to you. Obviously, if you support England through to the end, he'll take the win as has seemed inevitable all game. I guess I can't really fault you for being tired of this and wanting to just quit. If, on the other hand, you are still playing the game, it is still possible to deny England the solo. I'll be moving my Sevastopol army back into Moscow this season. You can support my move, or not, your call. There's really not much I can do about it at this point. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:56:44 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:56:44 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: To England from Turkey Message-ID: <20021213225644.GN17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 213 Lines: 5 Well, it looks like you've done it. I assume Austria will finish throwing the game to you this season, and then you'll have 18 centers. Congratulations, and well played. --The Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire From dpb Fri Dec 13 17:57:31 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:57:31 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: About that last note Message-ID: <20021213225731.GO17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 6 That should not be construed as an actual concession-of-game. Just so you know. "At least one of the powers has not consented" and all that. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? From neilk@imsa.edu Fri Dec 13 17:58:19 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBDMwIUL002241 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29D46922C for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:58:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBDMwHU17488 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:58:17 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:58:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: About that last note In-Reply-To: <20021213225731.GO17863@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 11 Of course, of course ;) On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > That should not be construed as an actual concession-of-game. Just so > you know. "At least one of the powers has not consented" and all that. > > From neilk@imsa.edu Sat Dec 14 13:29:38 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBEITcUL019918 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 4436C6916C; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:29:38 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380946916A for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:29:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBEITcI09731 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:29:38 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:29:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: to turkey from england Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 11 Thank you.  I liked you best of all those I allied with and/or stabbed.  And it was fun. England From neilk@imsa.edu Mon Dec 16 17:20:37 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBGMKaUL017623 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 76B716914E; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:36 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A34169127 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBGMKac10313 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:36 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 415 Lines: 10 Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice." I have no problem keeping England from winning the game. But I'm not going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game. If you and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me. From dwarf@imsa.edu Mon Dec 16 18:21:55 2002 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:21:55 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: <20021216232155.GR17863@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 20 Neil, was there an earlier message from Italy here? I haven't gotten anything dip-related for a couple days---the last one was England's "I liked you best" email. If I missed anything, could you resend? Also, just fyi, I'm driving home tonight, so I'll be incommunicado starting a few hours from now until late tomorrow night. This shouldn't affect the game, but I figured I should let you know. Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make > no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice." > > I have no problem keeping England from winning the game. But I'm not > going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game. If you > and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this > season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "The bland leadeth the bland and they both shall fall into the kitsch." From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 20:58:55 2002 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:58:55 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: Re: To Turkey from Italy Message-ID: <20021218015855.GB5771@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021216232155.GR17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 13 Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > Actually, I didn't get anything else from Italy. Odd. > > I need moves from you -- they're supposed to be due tonight at 9pm... I sent them in last Friday. They may change in the next hour, though; I'm looking at things right now. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- "The buffet table is properly set so that it would form an attractive pattern if viewed by a guest hanging from the chandelier." --Miss Manners From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 09:09:23 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBHE9N7F018258 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 5BB2F69111; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:23 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100869107 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHE9Nl22779 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:23 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:09:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: Re: To Turkey from Italy In-Reply-To: <20021216232155.GR17863@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 26 Actually, I didn't get anything else from Italy. Odd. I need moves from you -- they're supposed to be due tonight at 9pm... On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Don Blaheta wrote: > Neil, was there an earlier message from Italy here? I haven't gotten > anything dip-related for a couple days---the last one was England's "I > liked you best" email. If I missed anything, could you resend? > > Also, just fyi, I'm driving home tonight, so I'll be incommunicado > starting a few hours from now until late tomorrow night. This shouldn't > affect the game, but I figured I should let you know. > > Quoth Neil T. Krasovec: > > Make that "You have my support, if you remove your unit from Rome and make > > no attempt to take Venice or to support Austria into Venice." > > > > I have no problem keeping England from winning the game. But I'm not > > going to do it at the cost of eliminating myself from the game. If you > > and Austria are just going to cut me out of the game at the end of this > > season, I'd much prefer that the game not go on without me. > > From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 09:08:09 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBHE897F018188 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 98BED69111; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:08 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C71069107 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHE88A22490 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:08 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:08:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Austria and Turkey from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 32 As I just emailed to Turkey, you have my support if (a) Turkey withdraws from Rome, and (b) neither Turkey nor Austria attemps any move into Venice. This offer good for one round only -- since, after that round, either (1) you guys stabbed me, and I'm out of the game, (2) I stabbed you, and England has won, or (3) everyone has honored their agreement, and we can start worrying about what to do with our new united-front against England in 1909. I'm leaving France out of this email, because France's moves are irrelevant. He can neither harm England should I choose to stab him, nor hurt England if I choose to help him. And including France on this email only makes one more possible leak to England. Oh, and do you guys really have a chance in the East, no matter what you do? I mean, it all comes down to how the following orders resolve, and I don't remember how the ships-passing rule works: AUSTRIA A WAR -> MOS TURKEY A UKR SUPP A WAR -> MOS TURKEY A SEV SUPP A WAR -> MOS RUSSIA A MOS -> WAR RUSSIA A SIL SUPP A MOS -> WAR From neilk@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 13:29:29 2002 Received: from mail.imsa.edu (n1x6.imsa.edu [143.195.1.6]) by cs.brown.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id gBHITT7F025745 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) id 91024691D2; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: dwarf@imsa.edu Received: from 1x5.imsa.edu (1x5.imsa.edu [143.195.1.5]) by mail.imsa.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212769141 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (neilk@localhost) by 1x5.imsa.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHITIT07578 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: 1x5.imsa.edu: neilk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Neil T. Krasovec" To: Don Blaheta Subject: To Turkey and Austria from Italy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 14 I'd like to thank Austria for leaking to England the substance and specifics of my last email. Not to sound too huffy about it, but I suspect that Turkey can assume from this unfriendly act that Austria is not on-board on this little Grand Alliance plan. Turkey, you still have my support, for the simple reason that I need you out of Rome if I'm to stay in the game. Especially given that it looks like Austria's going to stab us. I'll be down to one supply center, which I can continue to use as a thorn in England's side, assuming we survive the Fall after Austria's treachery. From dwarf@imsa.edu Tue Dec 17 21:13:26 2002 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:26 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: "Neil T. Krasovec" Subject: To Italy from Turkey Message-ID: <20021218021326.GC5771@cs.brown.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 2004 Lines: 56 > I'm leaving France out of this email, because France's moves are > irrelevant. > > He can neither harm England should I choose to stab him, nor hurt England > if > I choose to help him. And including France on this email only makes one > more possible leak to England. Did you not get my earlier message? If you and France do something substantially like France: F West S F GoL - Spa A Gas - Mar A Bur - Par Italy: F GoL - Spa A Pie S A Gas - Mar then you each take (at least) one SC away from England, guaranteed. But if you haven't already submitted those orders, now is probably too late to coordinate. > Oh, and do you guys really have a chance in the East, no matter what you > do? Privately, if I were England, even if I got Austria to swear on a stack of Bibles to support me, I'd still hit him in Warsaw; since at this point it's about that final grab for SCs, and there's always a chance that Austria would renege and support Turkey, and with StP supporting Moscow there's no chance that Turkey could retake Moscow *unless* Austria helped. I'm assuming that England is relatively smart in this respect, and so I haven't spent a great deal of time working on Austria, since he doesn't matter. There are realistically two things that can happen right now: if you and France combine to hit England, the game lasts til next year and *maybe* I get a 2-way with England, or maybe he still soloes. Or, you and France don't hit England as described above, in which case he wins right now. > I mean, it all comes down to how the following orders resolve, and I don't > remember how the ships-passing rule works: > > AUSTRIA A WAR -> MOS > TURKEY A UKR SUPP A WAR -> MOS > TURKEY A SEV SUPP A WAR -> MOS > RUSSIA A MOS -> WAR > RUSSIA A SIL SUPP A MOS -> WAR (you mean ENGLAND, of course). The Austrian attack would take Moscow in this scenario, but that's not what I proposed and Austria didn't bring it up; and it's really too late to coordinate much at this point. :) --TGSotOE From dpb Tue Dec 17 21:14:55 2002 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:14:55 -0500 From: Don Blaheta To: neilk@imsa.edu Subject: Re: Fall 1908, Turkey moves Message-ID: <20021218021455.GD5771@cs.brown.edu> References: <20021213223833.GK17863@cs.brown.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021213223833.GK17863@cs.brown.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 31 In fact, I'm sticking with my moves as previously submitted, what the hell. Quoth Don Blaheta: > Assuming none of AIF takes any centres this season, it should end this > round anyway, so we might as well play it out. I still have at least a > remote chance at a two-way, though, if I can talk any of them into > supporting me (or rather, attacking England). > > > A ukr S a sev -> mos > a sev -> mos > > f ion -> tun > f tyn -> rom > a rom -> ven > f aeg -> ion > f bla -> con > > a alb -> tri > a rum -> bud > a ser s a rum -> bud > > > -- > -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- > I may look lazy, but on a cellular level I'm really busy. -- -=-Don Blaheta-=-=-dpb@cs.brown.edu-=-=--=- London headline: SEVERE FOG ON CHANNEL, EUROPE COMPLETELY ISOLATED